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post #11 of 70 (permalink) Old 11-26-2019, 06:33 PM
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Is the 5700xt a better buy then a 2060 super? Absolutely yes.

But not enough when you only have 2 cards in the modern day gaming market. (I Don't count the radeon 7 for pure gaming sadly).

Not sure why AMD is dragging there feet on making more models(5600? 5800? 5900?) 7nm yields and supply/demand maybe?

Time they get the ball rolling on more it will be next year and too close to Nvidia 3000 series. Maybe by then 5700 and 5700xt will be bargain bin.
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mmm big n small navi come out what within a month? $200ish navi will be the show stopper? I think it was GN or HUB that said small navi coming in a few weeks. You can get a 5700 non xt $290 at amazon. XT $350 newegg. How low can they go?

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I still get the nagging suspicion that AMD holds back because they have 90% of the console market.
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Poor driver support especially at launch will do that. AMD knew but dropped the ball again and again.

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And by this time next year NextBox and PS5 will hit and AMD won't care about this quarter because they provide the hardware for both. AMD is finally going to hurt Intel rather badly at the data center and enthusiast levels for the CPU side of things, and then will release the enthusiast NAVI and start to doubleteam NVIDIA with Intel in the GPU sector. No console will have NVIDIA RTX. It's adoption hasn't exactly been stellar on Windows. The consoles will get AMD's hardware ray tracing solution which will then ship with all the Windows games once ported over. Except to the EPIC store, because NVIDIA will probably bribe the whole place into using RTX(I'm being a little ridiculous to drive home a point). Long term NVIDIA is actually in quite a lot of trouble and AMD is not.

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Is the 5700xt a better buy then a 2060 super? Absolutely yes.

But not enough when you only have 2 cards in the modern day gaming market. (I Don't count the radeon 7 for pure gaming sadly).

Not sure why AMD is dragging there feet on making more models(5600? 5800? 5900?) 7nm yields and supply/demand maybe?

Time they get the ball rolling on more it will be next year and too close to Nvidia 3000 series. Maybe by then 5700 and 5700xt will be bargain bin.

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Radeon 7 is not a gaming card, it's a budget workstation card that also games. Plus AMD doesn't seem to be making any more of them. They phoned in their high end gpu for the year having already written off the high end for the next couple years until RDNA matures. It's the same strategy as Ryzen, and it's probably going to work. But AMD is now absolutely dependent on TSMC, which means that it is at the mercy of TSMC and TSMC's capacity. That means they can only have so many models available

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I still get the nagging suspicion that AMD holds back because they have 90% of the console market.
That's what it feels like.

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And by this time next year NextBox and PS5 will hit and AMD won't care about this quarter because they provide the hardware for both. AMD is finally going to hurt Intel rather badly at the data center and enthusiast levels for the CPU side of things, and then will release the enthusiast NAVI and start to doubleteam NVIDIA with Intel in the GPU sector. No console will have NVIDIA RTX. It's adoption hasn't exactly been stellar on Windows. The consoles will get AMD's hardware ray tracing solution which will then ship with all the Windows games once ported over. Except to the EPIC store, because NVIDIA will probably bribe the whole place into using RTX(I'm being a little ridiculous to drive home a point). Long term NVIDIA is actually in quite a lot of trouble and AMD is not.
Yeah, nVidia are probably going to be bankrupt really soon. It's the fault of all of those RT cores. We all know they'll be completely obsolete whenever consoles hit the market because they can't be used for anything else; only Quake 2.

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And by this time next year NextBox and PS5 will hit and AMD won't care about this quarter because they provide the hardware for both. AMD is finally going to hurt Intel rather badly at the data center and enthusiast levels for the CPU side of things, and then will release the enthusiast NAVI and start to doubleteam NVIDIA with Intel in the GPU sector. No console will have NVIDIA RTX. It's adoption hasn't exactly been stellar on Windows. The consoles will get AMD's hardware ray tracing solution which will then ship with all the Windows games once ported over. Except to the EPIC store, because NVIDIA will probably bribe the whole place into using RTX(I'm being a little ridiculous to drive home a point). Long term NVIDIA is actually in quite a lot of trouble and AMD is not.

PS4 and Xbox One are based on AMD solutions and it barely made much impact on PC gaming side of things. I don't expect PS5 and Next Xbox will change anything on that regard. Cheers.

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PS4 and Xbox One are based on AMD solutions and it barely made much impact on PC gaming side of things. I don't expect PS5 and Next Xbox will change anything on that regard. Cheers.
Indeed, but it probably kept them afloat. On the bright side Navi drivers are only going to get better with time, increasing performance etc. And if consoles are Navi based it can't hurt anything. Maybe some of the driver support will trickle down lol.

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The real story here is AMD was up to 33% in Q2, that's the only reason it seems like they have lost ground. Secondly no one but OEM's were buying the reference cards and AIB's took awhile to get their premium products on before Q3 was over. AMD has gained over 2% market share since this time last year....with no new products.

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Seems fine to me. They're most likely making more profit with the Zen chiplets than they ever could from their graphics line-up. Their 5700 series is good enough to keep RTG afloat for a bit.
Considering the amount of profits they're making in the CPU space, inevitably some of it will go into their GPUs in the long term. And that's a good thing. AMD is no longer as short-sighted as they used to be, although they still have a lot of room for improvement.

All that being said... This is the calm before the storm. The nVidia-killer is in the works. I'm not saying that as some sort of fanboy or whatever. Internally, AMD literally has a gpu nick-named the nVidia killer, which is expected near the end of 2020, and it will be their flagship RDNA 2 card. There will be another high end card released in Q1 2020, based on the current RDNA architecture, but that one is most likely not going to be as fast as the 2080 Ti, while the nVidia-killer is supposedly going to surpass it by a 'significant' amount.

Not that it will matter though. It will be once again proven that people blindly flock to nVidia, no matter what.
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