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post #61 of 78 (permalink) Old 11-28-2019, 08:17 PM
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If I'm not mistaken this is result of quarter over quarter results. The 5700 series was just launched and wouldn't reflect that fast until the next quarter or so. LOL, if AMD could turn around marketshare that fast when the same quarter(s) that would mean AMD would dominate the market.
Therefore, instead of it being 6%, 7% or 8% nvidia it's only 5%. I want to see what happens in the next 2 quarter or so.
i think they'll continue to slowly rise over the next 18 months. They've gotta few cards left to play, physically and metaphorically. Not sure GPU releases will do much for their stock, like you said. That's a long game they need to start playing. NV's been dominating the segment for 4 years now. You can argue all you want about 290, 390, keplar being weak, etc etc, but the truth is NV's had em beat and the #s show it, and that's all they care about in the end. My main curiosity at this point is if they're holding off more navi because of the incoming consoles

AMD can be the media's darling overnight, but there are plenty of people around still fully indoctrinated with anti-amd memes from the last decade of oofs. the last good roast they had on NV was wood screws, & 3.5gb. The turings burning/DOA thing didn't make anywhere near as much noise. Though the good news is, most reasonable people wanna get away from Intel, just from being bored with the platform, and swiss cheese memes.

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iMy main curiosity at this point is if they're holding off more navi because of the incoming consoles

AMD can be the media's darling overnight, but there are plenty of people around still fully indoctrinated with anti-amd memes from the last decade of oofs. the last good roast they had on NV was wood screws, & 3.5gb. The turings burning/DOA thing didn't make anywhere near as much noise. Though the good news is, most reasonable people wanna get away from Intel, just from being bored with the platform, and swiss cheese memes.
I doubt AMD are holding off anything. Especially since there are no stocks issues. So at most I think there are too many cards on stores collecting dust for them to ship a lot more.
The navi chips for consoles are not going to be the same cores as the ones in desktop GPUs, so they might start to allocate TSMC orders for that, but considering consoles are expected to come at the end of next year, no reason to start ordering manufacturing for it yet and let it collect dust while they keep working on drivers etc.

Also I don't think people will start moving away from nvidia because they move away from intel. Nvidia still have the market dominance of performance overall, which intel does not. People move from intel to AMD because AMD's cpus are cheaper and just as fast for gaming. Not because they are "bored".


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If you look at the lineup it's hardly surprising. Only 2 new cards worth talking about it.

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If you look at the lineup it's hardly surprising. Only 2 new cards worth talking about it.
Even less than when Polaris launched. Then they had 1050/1060 class with RX460/470/480. Now they have 2070/2070S class with 5700/5700XT. They should have had RX5300 and RX5500 out much sooner. I think they are still testing waters.

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AMD is doing great overall, they are being smart and focusing on their CPUs which have insane momentum and are killing Intel in basically every desktop price point. With console exclusivity their GPU department isn't struggling, although it is down for this QTR(which is expected with no big GPU release) it is still up 2% from this time last year so the article is a bit misleading by not clearly stating this was a single QTR result and not YOY.

Their CPUs are the focus right now, as it should be. Check out Amazon on Cyber Monday sales and compare it to just 1-2 years ago. At the end of Cyber Monday every single CPU in the top 12 sellers except for ONE was a Ryzen. Literally 11 Ryzen and one single Intel(the 9600k, in 11th place). Seems like a good spot to be in to me!


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Their CPUs are the focus right now, as it should be. Check out Amazon on Cyber Monday sales and compare it to just 1-2 years ago. At the end of Cyber Monday every single CPU in the top 12 sellers except for ONE was a Ryzen. Literally 11 Ryzen and one single Intel(the 9600k, in 11th place). Seems like a good spot to be in to me!
True, but CPUs aren't a needed upgrade nearly as frequently. Consumers are getting screwed in the GPU market since Nvidia has discovered they can charge pretty much whatever they want without a downside. Remember that rumor that the 3000 series would be cheaper? Yeah, that's not gonna happen. Might even go the other way because why not? Not like we have any other option.

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True, but CPUs aren't a needed upgrade nearly as frequently. Consumers are getting screwed in the GPU market since Nvidia has discovered they can charge pretty much whatever they want without a downside. Remember that rumor that the 3000 series would be cheaper? Yeah, that's not gonna happen. Might even go the other way because why not? Not like we have any other option.
Unlike AMD, nVidia actually expanded their market for their GeForce lineup with the introduction of Tensor cores and Studio drivers. While AMD just released an architecture purely for gaming.

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Unlike AMD, nVidia actually expanded their market for their GeForce lineup with the introduction of Tensor cores and Studio drivers. While AMD just released an architecture purely for gaming.
I honestly doubt that RDNA is 'purely for gaming'. That's what it is being sold as, but, in reality, it became more efficient in more than just gaming. Look at mining. The 5700XT is almost 15% faster than a Vega 64, despite having almost 40% less compute units.
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I honestly doubt that RDNA is 'purely for gaming'. That's what it is being sold as, but, in reality, it became more efficient in more than just gaming. Look at mining. The 5700XT is almost 15% faster than a Vega 64, despite having almost 40% less compute units.
Don't forget about the 22% clock difference. A reference 5700 XT at stock runs at 1890Mhz while a stock RX Vega 64 air runs at 1540Mhz. The Radeon VII is 109% faster than the 5700 XT at Ethereum mining.

Lisa Su and Simon Ng stated that we're going to continue to see Vega since it's a high computing architecture while Navi(RDNA) was built ground up for gaming. AMD would have had ROCm support for Navi at launch if the main focus for this architecture wasn't just gaming. There have been three releases of ROCm since the release of the first Linux kernel that added support for Navi and ROCm 3.0 also doesn't mention Navi support.

According to the changes in the Linux kernel 5.4 Arcturus will be another GCN based card.

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