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post #31 of 58 (permalink) Old 12-14-2019, 11:52 PM
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It isn't AMD they can't compete with, it is TSMC and Samsung. TSMC has 5 nm on track for 1H next year and Samsung can dump memory into the market like there is no tomorrow.

When you are as big as Intel and with such a big portfolio you leave a lot of fronts open and they don't have the ability to turn around because that would leave something else exposed. There are a lot of companies looking to snag some market from Intel like Qualcomm or Apple. TSMC, Samsung and AMD were just the first ones to realize the emperor is naked. The only way they can survive this is specializing in one area and giving up on everything else.

You can't be the best at everything forever. You can't even be the best at one thing forever.

I will remind you that it was AMD who gathered the troops and commanded the war. Selling GF, and then enlisting IBM and Samsung to work with TSMC&GF, all to bring down Intel process advantage. This was no accident and AMD deserves the credit for it was AMD who barely survived the change.

TSMC is not solely responsible for their 14nm/12nm/7nm designs it was multi-corporation.

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Let Intel sink. If it wasn't for AMD we'd be stuck with maybe 6 core i7's for $500 and quad core i5's for $300 without HT.
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IMO Intel gonna loose market share in CPU related markets and they know it, so they will enter other markets to maintain the profits, why sell 1 CPU for 4~8 GPU's rack when they can sell many super expensive GPU's? if they can compete in HPC GPU market that will make them a tone of $$$.

Also you are right- as big you are - the bigger the fall since you have such high expanses- you cant afford even a little drop in sales.
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Let Intel sink. If it wasn't for AMD we'd be stuck with maybe 6 core i7's for $500 and quad core i5's for $300 without HT.
Even if i am with you and i had build the last month 1 ryzen for my homelab with esxi and 2 in work in our server room i say this is not good if it happens.
We don't need as consumers Intel to be destroyed even if they deserve it because the luck of competition will make AMD the new Intel. We need Intel to be hurt and to put their heads down, devote resources to R&D and bring good products in 2-3 years in the market.
This will be a win win for us and the competition will stay alive in our favor. Monopolise things is bad for consumers in everything.

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Let them sink but not disappear for 5 years like AMD did.

We need market competition... Intel has been Intel because of no competition from AMD or others.

nVidia is getting almost as bad as Intel, but at least AMD can release the bare minimum of GPUs to make nVidia seem like they actually cares about value and progress.

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Intel needs to sort out its 10 nm problems.

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/in...too-much-power

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Intel needs to sort out its 10 nm problems.

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/in...too-much-power
We'll see when it's actually launched.

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We'll see when it's actually launched.

14nm: 6700K @ 4.2Ghz uses 112w
14nm++: 9900K @ 4.2Ghz uses 95w
A Cooler Master 212 should suffice to cool a 95W CPU.

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We'll see when it's actually launched.

14nm: 6700K @ 4.2Ghz uses 112w
14nm++: 9900K @ 4.2Ghz uses 95w

Where do you get that data from and why did you choose 4.2GHz? The 9900K doesnt run at 4.2GHz by default in any configuration, and at stock it already draws 160+ when you load all the cores up doing stuff.

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Where do you get that data from and why did you choose 4.2GHz? The 9900K doesnt run at 4.2GHz by default in any configuration, and at stock it already draws 160+ when you load all the cores up doing stuff.
It does run at 4.2Ghz when MCE is disabled. 4.2Ghz is the default with MCE on the 6700k.

https://www.gamersnexus.net/guides/3...-duration-z390

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