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It does run at 4.2Ghz when MCE is disabled. 4.2Ghz is the default with MCE on the 6700k.

https://www.gamersnexus.net/guides/3...-duration-z390



So it runs at 95W, because you power capped it to a 95w limit. That isnt how stock works and should be obvious behavior for any hardware when you set a power cap on.

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So it runs at 95W, because you power capped it to a 95w limit. That isnt how stock works and should be obvious behavior for any hardware when you set a power cap on.
It runs at 95w because it's running at Intel specifications. When did the term stock mean anything aside from factory settings?

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It runs at 95w because it's running at Intel specifications. When did the term stock mean anything aside from factory settings?

https://www.anandtech.com/show/6214/...about-free-mhz
When the CPU is put in a board and everything is at stock, the CPU runs at Intel's advertised turbo speeds. If you choose to go in and modify stock settings to enable power cap it will run at Intel's advertised power draw, but you no longer get Intel's advertised speeds and you are no longer running how everything comes stock.

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When the CPU is put in a board and everything is at stock, the CPU runs at Intel's advertised turbo speeds. If you choose to go in and modify stock settings to enable power cap it will run at Intel's advertised power draw, but you no longer get Intel's advertised speeds and you are no longer running how everything comes stock.
No where on their site do they advertise 4.7Ghz all core boost. None of the slides when they announced the 9900K show any mention of a 4.7Ghz all core boost CPU.

https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us...-5-00-ghz.html

They advertise a 5Ghz turbo boost on a single core which still happens when MCE is disabled. For example my 9900K is running in a z170 board, it never touches 4.7Ghz all core boost at stock settings with MCE disabled. I do see 5Ghz boost during single core workloads. At the end of the day the 9900k has 4 more cores than a 6700k and uses less power at the same frequency.

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So it runs at 95W, because you power capped it to a 95w limit. That isnt how stock works and should be obvious behavior for any hardware when you set a power cap on.
Isn't it crazy that people are still doing Intel power draw and MCE apologism these days?

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Yeah, you would think that people would know that the power draw of MCE =/= PL1 since it never has in the existence of MCE and it's variants. The efficiency improvements of the skylake arch on 14nm have been impressive. One would expect that doubling the efficiency of an arch at a common frequency would require a node reduction, but apparently not. The 10900k should have better PL1 clocks even without further efficiency improvements due to having more power/core but it will probably also have the capability of sucking down much more power if you so choose. It would be nice if people didn't try to conflate the two.
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It runs at 95w because it's running at Intel specifications. When did the term stock mean anything aside from factory settings?

https://www.anandtech.com/show/6214/...about-free-mhz
It was mentioned that the delay has to do with optimizing the cpu power draw for its "smooth operation". IIRC, with the 9900K, intel gave motherboard manufacturers free reign on boost algorithm. Let's see if Asus pulls a fast one on other manufacturers again.

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Sounds like Intel is throwing in the towel on the CPU market.
Not really.

What he is saying is that they got so hang up about trying to control the whole CPU market (and trying to hold 90% of it), and they have been manufacturing CPUs like crazy, that they missed out on making the 5G modems (because they didn't have enough manufacturing for it) and other stuff, and getting stuck on not being able to manufacture enough, that they are missing on money.

If for example they produce less CPUs but able to pull resources more into modems, they could have got into the modem industry with apple, which could create a new revenue market, which for them could increase a lot more compared to the CPU market they can't fulfill.
Same goes for their upcoming GPUs.

So it makes sense to divert their resources from tunnel vision into the CPU market (especially with only having 7nm in 2021), to other markets. 30% of a 300B$ market (90B$) is better than 90% of a 66B$ market (59B$).
They are big enough to be able to divert more resources and leave some room in the CPU market for AMD and ARM, and gain more on other markets they are not present in, but just as big and allow them in the future to produce more technology they don't have today.

So it makes perfect sense overall. Especially since they lost on the 7nm and multi core run this round, and without diverting resources, it will take them at least another year in which they are losing their basically only market, without creating new markets.


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Intel is besieged on all sides from ARM, AMD, Samsung TSMC, and they want to get into the GPGPU market which is dominated by Nvidia. It is hard to imagine how they they grow significantly in size over the next ten years.
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I really dont like the idea of saying "We are going to lose market share to make an even better product". It translates to AMD has been investing in the future and we cant continue to keep our lead. Its not them trying to lean out their processes and production, its them saying we are going to move more funds from the CPU division to R&D. This will slow us down, we will lose market share until the R&D returns start to pay off, and thats what market share % we will end up at.



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