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post #11 of 43 (permalink) Old 12-12-2019, 10:35 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted by skupples View Post
said the same people.

funny how the world works.

while the rest of us explained how its nearly impossible for AMD to fold.
Both AMD and Intel hold too many patents and trademarks to ever fold as long as we live in a world where desktop and server CPUs exist, even if they spend years upon years making trash tier chips.

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What i am more concerned about is the policy to restrict other countries using Intel/AMD products. Right now, its ok but its only matter of time till China/Russia can successfully design there own chips that match Intel/AMD and those nations choice to develop there own standard will have world wide effect. It's not hard for them to steal/get the tech considering TSMC is based out of Taiwan. I put this similar to what we are seeing with Alipay/WechatPay/UnionPay Card. More and more shops online and even retail based in North America are accepting them. The adoption rate outside of China may be slower but its still growing. I myself refuse to use Alipay/UnionPay/WechatPay but one day I will have no choice but to join them.

Even Aliexpress was in the process of setting up north american office so they really have targets on the Amazon/Ebay market. They have everything you can imagine at cheap rates often more selection than even amazon. I see some of my friends and most of my colleagues always order stuff in from there but they are from China so they are all used to that setup and convenience.
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Considering a more realistic difficulties I would rather say the progress will get exponentially worse at the least unlike their often overly optimistic linear difficulty which they are failing to meet for quite some time anyway.



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Can't wait for 10nm+++++++ further out.
Their 10nm is based on DUV and SAQP rather than EUV. The former might be more complex?
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All I see is a greedy, inept, complacent company that spent 8 years doing absolutely nothing, and now that a competitor has caught them with their pants down, they have to try and blow all the smoke they can to do maximum damage control on their stock price.

None of this will happen according to this timeline. 10nm is still vaporware in almost every realistic use of the word. This slide and its alleged plan is just a bunch of marketing bull excrement.
It's even worse than this. Intel's 10nm performs worse than their 14nm++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++

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Now AMD can do no wrong and Intel is just evil.
Intel were always evil, some people just refused to accept it.

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Can't wait for 10nm+++++++ further out.
You mean 10nm++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++.

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I think the whole skipping the 10nm node might be a problem for them down the road. They have not made enough SKUs to really learn alot about 10nm, and now they are jumping to 7...
I think 7nm paper launch will happen in 2021 however realistically i think we will be waiting for 2022 to actually see anything on 7nm at earliest.... ANd it might perform worse than 14+++

And wait a second, the whole Skipping 10nm for desktops/Servers....that means there will be no major changes on the Desktop/Server side of things till 2022.... OUCH!

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Came to make a joke about the plus signs but multiple people beat me to it lol

Same, Intel talking about 1.4nm by 2029 after an endless amount of delays? That's an even better joke.


As much as we all love to bash Intel as of late and as much as we may agree that Intel is a scummy company, we also have to hope that they can provide some form of competition in the next few years otherwise we may end up in the same position we just came out of.

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What i am more concerned about is the policy to restrict other countries using Intel/AMD products. Right now, its ok but its only matter of time till China/Russia can successfully design there own chips that match Intel/AMD and those nations choice to develop there own standard will have world wide effect. It's not hard for them to steal/get the tech considering TSMC is based out of Taiwan. I put this similar to what we are seeing with Alipay/WechatPay/UnionPay Card. More and more shops online and even retail based in North America are accepting them. The adoption rate outside of China may be slower but its still growing. I myself refuse to use Alipay/UnionPay/WechatPay but one day I will have no choice but to join them.

Even Aliexpress was in the process of setting up north american office so they really have targets on the Amazon/Ebay market. They have everything you can imagine at cheap rates often more selection than even amazon. I see some of my friends and most of my colleagues always order stuff in from there but they are from China so they are all used to that setup and convenience.
Dude nobody with any sense of legitimacy is gonna buy Russian or Chinese CPUs outside of those countries and/or their puppet states.

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Same, Intel talking about 1.4nm by 2029 after an endless amount of delays? That's an even better joke.


As much as we all love to bash Intel as of late and as much as we may agree that Intel is a scummy company, we also have to hope that they can provide some form of competition in the next few years otherwise we may end up in the same position we just came out of.
Will Intel get that 1.4nm process out first, or will the James Webb telescope get launched first??
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