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post #21 of 44 (permalink) Old 01-07-2020, 07:11 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted by dagget3450 View Post
All the posts about " AMD used Intel CPUs to test video cards" are a weak rebuttal to this situation. They did that for performance numbers, not because they were behind in pcie specifications.

The irony here is Intel is on pcie 3.0 still..even new stuff releasing short term. Why are they developing pcie 4.0 ssds when they don't even have pcie4.0 platforms yet?
We have no clue what Intel is using for their internal testing of the performance of their PCIe 4.0 optane drives. They have to test AMD chipsets for compatibility just like any other storage solution corporation. If anything these enterprise optane drives are being tested on IBM's Power systems since IBM uses Intel optane drives on IBM Cloud.

When AMD uses Intel's platform they do it for performance numbers which they can't achieve with their hardware. Intel is doing it for QA.

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Intel's 10 series has been out for a while.

Or did you mean their other 10 series?

Or the other one?

Or ... the other one?
Uhhh... Their next series.

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Quote: Originally Posted by dagget3450 View Post
But... but.. PCIE4.0 is useless, and Intel is so much faster in gaming so AMD is irrelevant!!! /Intel shill /s
TBF being first to PCIE isn't that big of an achievement in terms of need.
Intel were the first to start using DDR4 while AMD waited for AM4, and AMD owners were all about "yeah it doesn't matter".
Intel were also the first to PCIE 3.0 and AMD owners were all about "yeah but our GPU isn't bottlenecked in 2.0".
Intel were also the first to M.2 if I remember right.

So it doesn't really matter. AMD might be the first to jump the gun, but it isn't going to change when and how we will use it. That will most likely wait until nvidia and intel will also join in. It might push the others to use it faster, but from what I have seen, it could be that intel will skip and go right into PCIE 5.0 (which specs are already final and released early last year, so it will make more sense).


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intel has an intel chipset based 4.0 enabled motherboard for testing lets not kid ourselves.

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Love progress but this is absolutely an enterprise level tech

Honestly, who on here has been bottle necked by their NVME PCIe 3.0 4x drives?!

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Quote: Originally Posted by WannaBeOCer View Post
We have no clue what Intel is using for their internal testing of the performance of their PCIe 4.0 optane drives. They have to test AMD chipsets for compatibility just like any other storage solution corporation. If anything these enterprise optane drives are being tested on IBM's Power systems since IBM uses Intel optane drives on IBM Cloud.

When AMD uses Intel's platform they do it for performance numbers which they can't achieve with their hardware. Intel is doing it for QA.
This still doesn't explain why Intel has no PCIE4.0 chipsets released or releasing short term. They obviously see a reason to make a PCIE 4th gen SSD.


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TBF being first to PCIE isn't that big of an achievement in terms of need.
Intel were the first to start using DDR4 while AMD waited for AM4, and AMD owners were all about "yeah it doesn't matter".
Intel were also the first to PCIE 3.0 and AMD owners were all about "yeah but our GPU isn't bottlenecked in 2.0".
Intel were also the first to M.2 if I remember right.

So it doesn't really matter. AMD might be the first to jump the gun, but it isn't going to change when and how we will use it. That will most likely wait until nvidia and intel will also join in. It might push the others to use it faster, but from what I have seen, it could be that intel will skip and go right into PCIE 5.0 (which specs are already final and released early last year, so it will make more sense).
You realize your statement is contradicting itself? why would they be developing pcie4th gen SSDs if they are skipping to 5th gen? Also, I dont have time to search it up(maybe someone else can) Intel may have released pcie 3.0 to the consumer first, but IRC AMD was first to make pcie 3.0 gpus. I am sure somewhere at one time or another a person might have posted such responses. However if your looking at actual tech sites, they did do testing on pcie speeds and gpus. again IRC single gpus were not exceeding or capping pcie bandwidth speeds at the times of testing with then current hardware. i'm sure there are tons of these articles out there.

Countering your "Intel were also the first to PCIE 3.0 and AMD owners were all about "yeah but our GPU isn't bottlenecked in 2.0". with https://www.legitreviews.com/intel-s...-gamers_212350

I want to see the crow eating begin when intel releases PCIE 4th gen motherboards. it's coming...

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This still doesn't explain why Intel has no PCIE4.0 chipsets released or releasing short term. They obviously see a reason to make a PCIE 4th gen SSD.




You realize your statement is contradicting itself? why would they be developing pcie4th gen SSDs if they are skipping to 5th gen? Also, I dont have time to search it up(maybe someone else can) Intel may have released pcie 3.0 to the consumer first, but IRC AMD was first to make pcie 3.0 gpus. I am sure somewhere at one time or another a person might have posted such responses. However if your looking at actual tech sites, they did do testing on pcie speeds and gpus. again IRC single gpus were not exceeding or capping pcie bandwidth speeds at the times of testing with then current hardware. i'm sure there are tons of these articles out there.

Countering your "Intel were also the first to PCIE 3.0 and AMD owners were all about "yeah but our GPU isn't bottlenecked in 2.0". with https://www.legitreviews.com/intel-s...-gamers_212350

I want to see the crow eating begin when intel releases PCIE 4th gen motherboards. it's coming...


I can see Intel skipping straight to 5.0 on desktop. What is the point of moving to 4.0 on desktop when it is only going to be lasted for one year, Intel's every stuff on 2022 is basically all PCIe 5.0, and they are heavily investing on it.

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This still doesn't explain why Intel has no PCIE4.0 chipsets released or releasing short term. They obviously see a reason to make a PCIE 4th gen SSD
They still have to compete with their storage competition.

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I can see Intel skipping straight to 5.0 on desktop. What is the point of moving to 4.0 on desktop when it is only going to be lasted for one year, Intel's every stuff on 2022 is basically all PCIe 5.0, and they are heavily investing on it.
I invest in my machine as a 5 year plan with a top CPU and plenty of RAM, leaving the option to upgrade the GPU few years down the line.

Without PCI-E 4.0, I wouldn't consider Intel as an option at all, even if competitively priced against AMD. 2080 Ti already sits somewhere in between PCI-E 3.0 x8 and x16.


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I invest in my machine as a 5 year plan with a top CPU and plenty of RAM, leaving the option to upgrade the GPU few years down the line.

Without PCI-E 4.0, I wouldn't consider Intel as an option at all, even if competitively priced against AMD. 2080 Ti already sits somewhere in between PCI-E 3.0 x8 and x16.
Intel's rumored Comet Lake is still 3.0, which would mean possible Intel 4.0 desktop won't be happening until 2021, which would be quickly be succeeded by 2022 5.0 product. It might not make sense to release 4.0 desktop product to have an awfully short platform life.
I won't be considering Intel until 2022 either, at least until they have a Sapphire Rapids which will have full DDR5/PCIe 5.0 support.

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