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Hello fellow C9 OLED owner

Personally I am very happy with my C9 latency even in 4K60 mode, it feels much faster than any previous 60hz panel I've had. In 1440p120 mode it seems instant to me no matter what I do. I cannot tell any input lag difference between the fastest TN panels and the C9 at 120hz, even when dual monitoring and switching between the two for testing. I don't really see them improving input lag much more on any panel type for the reasons you stated, nor do I see why someone would ever need faster than what we have available now.
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I cannot tell any input lag difference between the fastest TN panels and the C9 at 120hz, even when dual monitoring and switching between the two for testing. I don't really see them improving input lag much more on any panel type for the reasons you stated, nor do I see why someone would ever need faster than what we have available now.
Very true, the latency on the C9 is great. Very happy TVs are being reviewed with latency as an important issue.

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Also, for what it's worth, While Low frame-rate compensation (LFC) is not officially supported on the LG CX, it appears to have some form of it below 40hz.




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Also, yes 120hz on OLED has better motion and less blur than 144hz on a high-end TN panel. I can confirm. OLED has much faster pixel response time than TN, if I had to guess you'd need ~200hz TN to match 120hz OLED.
True, OLED's near instant pixel response times can make 120 Hz sample-and-hold look just about as good as it can, but something like a 200 Hz TN is still going to have benefits. Like snappier feel, less input lag just because of the higher frequency, and feel "smoother".

OLED pixels are so fast, even at 120 Hz I can see the individual frames still. Only so much you can do with sample-and-hold at only 120 Hz. MPRT on 120 Hz OLED is ~8.3 ms, still a far cry away from great motion clarity MPRT of like 1ms. That would require ~1,000 Hz sample-and-hold, or BFI or strobing backlight.

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OLED pixels are so fast, even at 120 Hz I can see the individual frames still. Only so much you can do with sample-and-hold at only 120 Hz. MPRT on 120 Hz OLED is ~8.3 ms, still a far cry away from great motion clarity MPRT of like 1ms. That would require ~1,000 Hz sample-and-hold, or BFI or strobing backlight.
Strobing pixels seems to be the best option, it is really hard to refresh the screen 1000 times a second but turning the pixel on for 1 ms while refreshing at 120 Hz is not too bad. I wonder how long until we get a self emissive pixel that can be driven for 1/8 of the frame and still get an apparent brightness near 1000 nits. It might not be that far away, an inorganic option that would replace OLED might also be able to be driven really hard at a 1/8 duty cycle.

Gaming seems to be selling TVs and you could definitely sell such a display to gamers.

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Just release this asap and take my money. I'd gladly pay $1k+ for this. This will easily replace my existing monitors. And 48 isn't too bad to be on a desk. Just have to stay a little bit further than usual.

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Just release this asap and take my money. I'd gladly pay $1k+ for this. This will easily replace my existing monitors. And 48 isn't too bad to be on a desk. Just have to stay a little bit further than usual.
the 55 is out, and its like $1,800 so i'm gonna guess the 48 will bottom out @ $1200 on a good day.

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the 55 is out, and its like $1,800 so i'm gonna guess the 48 will bottom out @ $1200 on a good day.
48 is supposedly launching @ $1500. Everything is supposed to be identical compared to the 55, just a smaller panel.



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Reports are the material used to create OLED panels doesn't slice evenly into 48", production of a 48" OLED is just for marketing purposes and doesn't save any money.
Instead of lowering prices on an existing product, they'd rather go through extra effort to give people a worse value product in order to justify a reduced price.

A slightly smaller model (~40") would have been significantly cheaper to produce, but apparently LG doesn't think OLED can sell in the Monitor market so they won't go to that size yet.
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Reports are the material used to create OLED panels doesn't slice evenly into 48", production of a 48" OLED is just for marketing purposes and doesn't save any money.
Instead of lowering prices on an existing product, they'd rather go through extra effort to give people a worse value product in order to justify a reduced price.

A slightly smaller model (~40") would have been significantly cheaper to produce, but apparently LG doesn't think OLED can sell in the Monitor market so they won't go to that size yet.
For my use case a 48" is a higher value product. I have a 55" C9, which is a great display, but I am planning on buying a 48" CX as soon as possible. Your name seems a little ironic if you don't see the value of a 48" even if it uses the same amount of glass to produce.

I had planned to skip a few generations but I cannot pass up the 48". I would have thought I wanted a 40" earlier but I expect 48" to be good for me after using a 55" for several years now. Same DPI as a 24" 1080p display but 4x.

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