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post #11 of 34 (permalink) Old 01-19-2020, 12:33 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted by Redwoodz View Post
If you think you will magically get better performance per dollar because a console launches I don't follow. Most people buy new products not used.
Nvidia screwed with prices on their RTX lineup because AMD still couldn't compete with the GTX 10 series (2+ years behind). They were also riding the crypto wave. No need to sell their old stock at reduced price when it's still better than the competition. When AMD brought a competitive offer, the RTX S series of cards were released. Better performance per dollar, slightly better binned chips, and 8 gigs of ram instead of 6. Sure, a 2060 will still be just as good of a card in 6 months, but the new products should be replacing the older ones around the same price lineup. In fact, if the 2060 (non-S) didn't have a price cut, nobody would buy it over the S version. The same should be said about the 2070/2080 (S) variants.

AMD is contracted to sell the GPU's for new consoles, that will give them a significant boost in sales over the last year. With PS and Xbox coming out in the same year, that will be the entertainment budget for most households. To sell PC's, they have to be somewhat competitive with the console market. Consoles are basically just pre-fabbed PC's with a loaded operating system on them.

Most likely I'll still be disappointed with Nvidia's price gouging and/or AMD's driver implementation, but AMD's competition tends to bring Nvidia's prices down. With the RTX series already being 1 1/2 years old, it seems a lot smarter to wait for AMD to flood the console market and bring a competitive GPU to the table.
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Do you thinks it's possible to just solder the 2 memory chips and make it 5700? asking from Modding perspective and not vfm.
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Quote: Originally Posted by Redwoodz View Post
If you think you will magically get better performance per dollar because a console launches I don't follow. Most people buy new products not used.
Yes i think value will become better, people will understand that a $500 console has 5700XT like or better graphics performance so $400 for 5700XT is a rip off so in 2021 5700XT performance should come for $200 while right now you can only get a 5500XT which will struggle to play PS5 ports even at 1080p 60fps

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Quote: Originally Posted by mohit9206 View Post
Yes i think value will become better, people will understand that a $500 console has 5700XT like or better graphics performance so $400 for 5700XT is a rip off so in 2021 5700XT performance should come for $200 while right now you can only get a 5500XT which will struggle to play PS5 ports even at 1080p 60fps
Um,no.

Why are you comparing the price of a console to the price of a desktop gpu? Because the can both play games? Because they are both made by AMD? I really don't see why you would even try to compare picing on a console embedded part that runs close to metal to a external gpu running a consumer OS.

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Quote: Originally Posted by Redwoodz View Post
Um,no.

Why are you comparing the price of a console to the price of a desktop gpu? Because the can both play games? Because they are both made by AMD? I really don't see why you would even try to compare picing on a console embedded part that runs close to metal to a external gpu running a consumer OS.
I am going to assume a bit here but, I think what they are eluding to is that some people who are not ingrained in a ecosystem will swap between them based on perceived value. So if a "$500 console" can give them the same "perceived" value of $500 GPU, then they may swap to the console. This would intern lower sales of GPU's and increase the sales of consoles. Ofc the opposite would be true like it has been in the past as console users switch to PC for that "perceived" value.
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removing the restrictions imposed by the BIOS seems much more likely than 4 more cores.

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I am going to assume a bit here but, I think what they are eluding to is that some people who are not ingrained in a ecosystem will swap between them based on perceived value. So if a "$500 console" can give them the same "perceived" value of $500 GPU, then they may swap to the console. This would intern lower sales of GPU's and increase the sales of consoles. Ofc the opposite would be true like it has been in the past as console users switch to PC for that "perceived" value.
i feel like this thought process only applies to children getting presents, and only being allowed one expensive gift per event. (birthday, christmas, etc)

And even then, for those outside of my listed scenario, how long does that really apply? One refresh. You got a new console this Holiday, instead of refreshing your GPU yearly (which you really have no need of doing anyways, and if you have the money to do that, then you wouldn't be debating one or the other)

it's a strange comparison, is my point.

However, it does 100% effect GPU pricing, post console launch. AMD has to compete with self, and NV can't get away with highway robbery, thus the consoles help to equalize the cost of gaming, but only once a decade.

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removing the restrictions imposed by the BIOS seems much more likely than 4 more cores.



i feel like this thought process only applies to children getting presents, and only being allowed one expensive one per event. (birthday, christmas, etc)

And even then, for those outside of my listed scenario, how long does that really apply? One refresh. You got a new console this year, instead of refreshing your GPU yearly (which you really have no need of doing anyways, and if you have the money to do that, then you wouldn't be debating one or the other)

it's a strange comparison, is my point.

However, it does 100% effect GPU pricing, post console launch. NV & AMD both can't get away with scalping once consoles do their per decade major arch. bump. This trend sticks around for 1-2 revision, then its back to business as usual. This also only applies to mid range/low end GPUs.
I get where you are coming from except the children bit. Kids don't care. They just want what their peers have.Ofc unless you are talking about parents buying based on perceived value for a child, then I get that.
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I get where you are coming from except the children bit. Kids don't care. They just want what their peers have.Ofc unless you are talking about parents buying based on perceived value for a child, then I get that.
yeah, i'm applying it to my own typical suburban American childhood.

all though, for whatever reason I couldn't get my folks to buy me a GPU until my 16th birthday, but by 16 FF11 had roasted multiple PS2s so they were tired of replacement.

They feared the unknown, so the console was a guarantee every time a new one dropped. From OG Game Boy on.

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yeah, i'm applying it to my own typical suburban American childhood.

all though, for whatever reason I couldn't get my folks to buy me a GPU until my 16th birthday, but by 16 FF11 had roasted multiple PS2s so they were tired of replacement.

They feared the unknown, so the console was a guarantee every time a new one dropped. From OG Game Boy on.

See I had the same type of childhood and now you are making me feel old

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Quote: Originally Posted by Redwoodz View Post
Um,no.

Why are you comparing the price of a console to the price of a desktop gpu? Because the can both play games? Because they are both made by AMD? I really don't see why you would even try to compare picing on a console embedded part that runs close to metal to a external gpu running a consumer OS.
Because both systems run the x86-64 bit instruction set. They do the same thing. If you can get a gaming quality CPU, GPU, Power supply, case, and ram for $500, why buy something less powerful for more money? That's the joy of mass production, they can get the units made for cheap. If they want anything else to sell, people need a reason to buy it. Nvidia's RTX release never had competition with the console market.

Windows 10 can already do everything that an Xbox does. If an Xbox has better hardware, is it that big of a stretch to think that windows 10 could be loaded on it and it could work as a desktop computer? P.S. Windows 10 ain't all that. Any OS could be used, the only question is how hard it is to get working drivers. Gotta love AMD...
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