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post #21 of 34 (permalink) Old 01-19-2020, 11:40 AM
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my brother was born in 85, & he's starting to go grey. O.O! /panic

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my brother was born in 85, & he's starting to go grey. O.O! /panic
35 was the age where everything started to go downhill for me.....now everything hurts everyday, I actually have to watch what I eat, I have to exercise, but I still have all my hair and it hasn't gone grey so I've got that going for me...which is nice.
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6% average slower than the RTX 2060 with the updated vbios. I doubt all the cards that are being sold were updated to the new vbios before its release. Looks like another card to that the titles a user plays will be the deciding factor.

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6% average slower than the RTX 2060 with the updated vbios. I doubt all the cards that are being sold were updated to the new vbios before its release. Looks like another card to that the titles a user plays will be the deciding factor.
I think the pricing will be the bigger factor. Will the 2060 keep the $299 price? Will the RX 5600XT keep their price?

That aside, I have a bit of an issue with buying hardware on some titles. The places where I think it has merit is when titles are part of a franchise (games like Battlefield, Assasin's Creed, etc...) or like mmo's where they are continuously updated. For games that are single releases...I'm looking hard at you Cyberpunk 2077, it's not a wise thing to do for most people. The hardware will outlast the playability of the game by a significant margin. This makes the decision to buy a card based on said title irrelevant for the majority of the use of it.
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Well the RX 5600 XT Pulse is a decent card if they fix the issues with Navi in general (whether it is OpenCL , Wattman, or DX9 bugs) but priced too high (a side effect of the RX 5500 XT pricing and 7nm +GDDR6 perhaps). If you get a RTX 2060 "KO" ($280 launch edition) , the out of the box noise levels and the cooler construction are pretty subpar : it's a low power limit RTX 2060 on a GTX 1660 series cooler and PCB with sleeve bearing fans. The $300 Founder's edition of RTX 2060 is lacking fan stop and is a nightmare to do maintenance on as well.


AMD should have positioned the RX 5600 XT against $230 GTX 1660 Super and priced it accordingly (not having to release VBIOS updates) since the GTX 1660 Ti they were comparing it against is EOL and the $280 MSRP was from nearly a year ago (Feb 22, 2019). It would be a solid ~$250 card.

The issue at hand is that the RX 5500 XT 8GB was priced $200 at launch ($170 for 4GB version) and it hasn't been reduced. Most people given the choice between a GTX 1660 Super and RX 5500XT would go for GTX 1660 Super because it's faster overall with more memory bandwidth. Mind you it is not overly compelling for someone with a GTX 1060 or above. The same thing is going to happen with RX 5600 XT except even worse due to the RTX feature because it's more or less a GTX 1080 in 2020.



Right now the AMD stack is as such:
RX 5700 XT @ $400 officially with quite a few hovering around $380 : the appeal is RTX 2070 level performance for less money sans RTX / CUDA
<-- RTX 2060 Super @ $400

RX 5700 @ $350 , open market has them closer to $310-350
<--- RTX 2060 6GB @ $300 , most AIBs closer to $350

RX 5600 XT @ $280
<--- GTX 1660 Super @ $230

RX 5500 XT @ $180-200 but market pricing is more along the lines of $220 for a decent 8GB version and they're generally higher than GTX 1650 Super
(Old stock of RX 570s and RX 580s at <$200)
<--- GTX 1650 Super @ $160


It's almost certain that the prices will tank by at least 15% when Nvidia's Ampere launches due to downward price pressure at the top of the stack.

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For sure there is a difference, but I bet when it comes down to FPS it's not much.
Yeah the 5700 can probably OC much higher, simply flashing it to a xt is a 10%+? gain. Then again, how many watts do you really need? The 5700 non XT at 225 240 watts doesn't get much more performance out of it beyond that. When you hit around 2040 OC boost core you have to adjust the voltage to get any higher. The limiting factor on the 5700 vs xt for lack of better word is the binning.


Looking at pics of the 5600 xt, I see a 8 pin power connector. Initially google says it's max 150 watts, that doesn't make sense. Some forum says 225watts continuous. Ok now my head hurts lol. Is nothing cut and dry....

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35 was the age where everything started to go downhill for me.....now everything hurts everyday, I actually have to watch what I eat, I have to exercise, but I still have all my hair and it hasn't gone grey so I've got that going for me...which is nice.

You got to be joking me. When I hit 35 that was the mark of old age for me as well. Testosterone, energy, endurance all significantly effected. Plus I suddenly needed more restful sleep and if I didn't get it I would be no better than a Zombie for the day.

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Yeah the 5700 can probably OC much higher, simply flashing it to a xt is a 10%+? gain. Then again, how many watts do you really need? The 5700 non XT at 225 240 watts doesn't get much more performance out of it beyond that. When you hit around 2040 OC boost core you have to adjust the voltage to get any higher. The limiting factor on the 5700 vs xt for lack of better word is the binning.


Looking at pics of the 5600 xt, I see a 8 pin power connector. Initially google says it's max 150 watts, that doesn't make sense. Some forum says 225watts continuous. Ok now my head hurts lol. Is nothing cut and dry....
you're forgetting the PCIE slot, which is 75W , so 75+150 =225W

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you're forgetting the PCIE slot, which is 75W , so 75+150 =225W
I would love to see PCIE 5.0 increase to that 75W limit.
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I would love to see PCIE 5.0 increase to that 75W limit.
power limit has something to do with safety issues with pin-contacts being too small/few for higher power delivery.
so if theres any increase that can happen, it'll mean a drastic overhaul on the slot itself, possibly making it not backwards compatible.

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