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post #11 of 73 (permalink) Old 01-21-2020, 06:27 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted by Marios145 View Post
They pushed a BIOS for the 5600 that makes it consume 40% more power, while only getting 10% performance.
How have you concluded it's 40% more power?

Sapphire 5600 XT OG bios = 150w board limit
Sapphire 5600 XT New bios = 160w board limit

Around a 7.5% increase in power.... for a 10-11% increase in performance. Performance seems to be scaling well to power.

Where's this 40%?

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1) Make Navi10 a slightly bigger die (with 320bit bus if possible)
Bigger chip and larger memory bus =

lower yields
increased GPU chip costs
increased GDDR6 costs
increased board costs for AIBs due to more memory modules and more complex PCBs being required


The rest of your post is equally as illogical.
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Too many dollars for not enough graphics card !
Performance even with the new bios is Meh !
It is just a 5700 castrated for market segmentation .
I will stay on my gtx 1070 ti and Vega 56 cards .
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The V56 has been around the ~$300 mark for a year and I highly doubt AMD is going to stop making it (it is the same situation with the 5500XT and the RX 580/90).

~$300 have been buying this level of performance for quite a while.

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Gosh darnit! Why didn't Nvidia bring more competition in this segment! /s<---for those who actually can't get it

There simply isn't any reason to get anything other than 570/580 in the low/lowmid range. Sad time for majority of consumers.
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RX Vega 56 for $259.99, much better deal and if you don't care about power consumption flash the RX Vega 64 bios. Picked mine up and it can run the RX Vega 64 LC bios. HBM can only hit 1050Mhz but it mostly runs at 1700Mhz.

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Its slightly better then 2060 in cost per frame value at such a small amount, but still considered better in that respect.

Its an ok card and Ill throw it into my typical build mix at that price point for clients when pricing builds. RTX factors are non existent to me bother at 2060 anyways(unless I get a request for streaming, where turning encoder does shine well). But will probably boil down to what brand of AIB and whats on sale at the moment of time since both are within 3-5% of each other in cost per frame anyways.

I find it wierd nvidia did nothing for the 5700xt still and its a far better buy then 2060super/2070super by a decent amount. Yet everything in the $300 and below segment nvidia seems much more contested to butt heads with AMD there.

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How well does the 2060 OC? if it OCs decently then realistically speaking no one will buy a 5600 over the 2060.

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Quote: Originally Posted by Marios145 View Post
The decisions by AMD are idiotic, their decisions on die size are really bad, when you're the only one on 7nm process you should take advantage of it.
They pushed a BIOS for the 5600 that makes it consume 40% more power, while only getting 10% performance.

Instead of pushing silicon clocks/voltages to the limit, which is 50W extra for 10% performance, they could just do these simple steps:

1) Make Navi10 a slightly bigger die (with 320bit bus if possible) for your "mid" range and sell it as the 5800 for 500-550$ with high clocks and everything, and use the defective Navi10 dies for a 5700XT and 5700(256bit) sell them around 350-450$ with clocks at efficiency sweet spot. This would keep the power consumption of 5700xt below 200W and the 5700 below 170W.

2)Use the same tactic for Navi 14 192bits bus for 250-300$ as 5600XT and use the cutdown as a 5600 and 5500XT(128bit bus) in the 150-200$ range, keep clocks on all of these at the sweet spot for efficiency. Sell the cutdown dies to OEMs as 70W versions

3)Rebrand the 570/580 as a 5500/5400 or something, get rid of stock????

4)Keep selling the 560/460 on 14nm/12nm, or whatever that chip is called these days for <120$ name it 5300.

5)Later releasing your top-tier card as best you can do


Staying on the clock/voltage efficiency sweet spot on every level. Letting AIB partners release the higher clocked versions. Using old process tech for budget cards. Follow nvidia tactics, simply.
If AMD wanted all the GPU money in the world all they had to do was ship the RX 5600 XT with the performance Bios, 8GB of RAM at $250. Nvidia would have been done for the next 6-8 months and I doubt Ampere would have presented with a solution not because it couldn't but because of Nvidia greed. But noooooooooo. Why? Because they are in cahoots.

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I find it wierd nvidia did nothing for the 5700xt still and its a far better buy then 2060super/2070super by a decent amount. Yet everything in the $300 and below segment nvidia seems much more contested to butt heads with AMD there.
The 570/580/590 rule the roost on the low end. The only card Nvidia has that can even hold a flame there is the 1650 super. Unfortunately quite a few reviews still use msrp when cards are not priced at msrp. It would be like using the msrp price of the 570/580 at the height of the mining craze to determine value at that time. They were terrible buys back then.

I am very disappointed in both AMD and Nvidia with the recent generations of GPUs. They are shafting us.
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