[AnandTech] Zhaoxin’s x86-Compatible CPUs for DIY Enthusiasts Now Available - Page 5 - Overclock.net - An Overclocking Community
Forum Jump: 

[AnandTech] Zhaoxin’s x86-Compatible CPUs for DIY Enthusiasts Now Available

Reply
 
Thread Tools
post #41 of 48 (permalink) Old 02-04-2020, 11:13 AM
New to Overclock.net
 
Mrzev's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Texas
Posts: 2,312
Rep: 97 (Unique: 77)
Quote: Originally Posted by bigjdubb View Post
It should be a heck of a lot more powerful than a Pi, but since it will only be available in China it probably doesn't matter much.
I always question the power of a PI. Comparing it is like comparing AMD to Intel. 1ghz != 1ghz . It all devolves down to trading instruction sets between the two. If calculating X is 10 cycles on A and 15 on B, B can have 20% higher clock and still be slower. When looking at a PI, quad core 1.5ghz rivals my work laptop i5-8365U Quad 1.6GHz (8 thread). Can only boost on single core @4.1 GHz . This CPU was launched Q2 2019... less than a year ago.

So, how powerful is a PI4 vs my 6 month old laptop... i have no idea. On my previous laptop, i remember transcoding video on a PI2 2x faster by using a codec that used the onboard h264 processor. I couldn't get intels QT or VT (whatever their encoding thing is) to work or get the results that i got on my PI2. At the same time, if it was over 720p , it would fail on the PI2 because of memory limitations. If it was not for that, i probably would have created a PI farm for transcoding tons of video. We ended up creating a cloud based solution with Azure Batch which worked out awesomely. At the same time, i refuse to run a GUI on a PI because the performance is pitiful. So, once again... who knows.


When talking about DIY enthusiasts, who are those people? Are they just people who like to build computers? Its not the same as a person wanting to make their own ball launching contraption for their pet right? Those are the DIY people IMO. People who want to strap an auto targeting nerf gun onto a remote control care are going to use a PI and not a computer. People who need a computer for whatever DIY project probably want something more reliable and willing to pay $50 more.


But yes, i hope this is competition in general and not people stealing stuff. Competition is always great.



Mrzev is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #42 of 48 (permalink) Old 02-04-2020, 06:31 PM
New to Overclock.net
 
Paradigm Shifter's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Japan
Posts: 2,905
Rep: 252 (Unique: 201)
Would be interested in getting my hands on a board, if only for curiosity. Performance? For a "curiosity box" I don't really care so long as it can run without lagging on user input, which will also be affected by RAM, HDD/SSD etc...


Paradigm Shifter is offline  
post #43 of 48 (permalink) Old 02-15-2020, 08:34 PM
New to Overclock.net
 
Liranan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Soviet China... Oh wait..
Posts: 8,766
Rep: 616 (Unique: 300)
These Zhaoxin boards sell for 700 USD here in China, which is more than A 3900X.

Quote:
Quote:
Originally Posted by faraz1729 go_quote.gif
Haha, Liranan, you creep.

Tacitus - The more corrupt the state, the more numerous the laws

Only when the last tree has died and the last river been poisoned and the last fish been caught will we realise we cannot eat money. - Cree Indian Proverb
Liranan is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #44 of 48 (permalink) Old 02-16-2020, 09:27 AM
LTSC Consiglieri
 
skupples's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Fort Lauderdale
Posts: 22,326
Rep: 649 (Unique: 349)
Quote: Originally Posted by Mrzev View Post
I always question the power of a PI. Comparing it is like comparing AMD to Intel. 1ghz != 1ghz . It all devolves down to trading instruction sets between the two. If calculating X is 10 cycles on A and 15 on B, B can have 20% higher clock and still be slower. When looking at a PI, quad core 1.5ghz rivals my work laptop i5-8365U Quad 1.6GHz (8 thread). Can only boost on single core @4.1 GHz . This CPU was launched Q2 2019... less than a year ago.

So, how powerful is a PI4 vs my 6 month old laptop... i have no idea. On my previous laptop, i remember transcoding video on a PI2 2x faster by using a codec that used the onboard h264 processor. I couldn't get intels QT or VT (whatever their encoding thing is) to work or get the results that i got on my PI2. At the same time, if it was over 720p , it would fail on the PI2 because of memory limitations. If it was not for that, i probably would have created a PI farm for transcoding tons of video. We ended up creating a cloud based solution with Azure Batch which worked out awesomely. At the same time, i refuse to run a GUI on a PI because the performance is pitiful. So, once again... who knows.


When talking about DIY enthusiasts, who are those people? Are they just people who like to build computers? Its not the same as a person wanting to make their own ball launching contraption for their pet right? Those are the DIY people IMO. People who want to strap an auto targeting nerf gun onto a remote control care are going to use a PI and not a computer. People who need a computer for whatever DIY project probably want something more reliable and willing to pay $50 more.


But yes, i hope this is competition in general and not people stealing stuff. Competition is always great.
i'd agree. building your own PC is fringe DIY. it's the gateway for many people.

then they get a $100 2,000 piece pi kit when they realize they wanna tinker.

R.I.P. Zawarudo, may you OC angels' wings in heaven.
If something appears too good to be true, it probably is.
Best R0ach Quote of all time : TLDR: Haswell might be the last legit gaming platform unless mice get their own non-USB interface on some newer architecture.
skupples is offline  
post #45 of 48 (permalink) Old 02-16-2020, 11:00 AM
Linux Evangelist
 
Jarhead's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Posts: 2,600
Rep: 187 (Unique: 149)
I don't know. Just off the top of my head this thing could be useful for CNC applications - assuming that you are using either Mach3/4 or LinuxCNC. But the board would need to be set up specifically for motion control latency concerns.

I calculated the odds of this succeeding versus the odds I was doing something incredibly stupid... and I went ahead anyway.

If it's not coming out for the PC, it's dead to me.
Jarhead is offline  
post #46 of 48 (permalink) Old 02-17-2020, 03:28 AM
New to Overclock.net
 
Liranan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Soviet China... Oh wait..
Posts: 8,766
Rep: 616 (Unique: 300)
Quote: Originally Posted by Mrzev View Post
I always question the power of a PI. Comparing it is like comparing AMD to Intel. 1ghz != 1ghz . It all devolves down to trading instruction sets between the two. If calculating X is 10 cycles on A and 15 on B, B can have 20% higher clock and still be slower. When looking at a PI, quad core 1.5ghz rivals my work laptop i5-8365U Quad 1.6GHz (8 thread). Can only boost on single core @4.1 GHz . This CPU was launched Q2 2019... less than a year ago.

So, how powerful is a PI4 vs my 6 month old laptop... i have no idea. On my previous laptop, i remember transcoding video on a PI2 2x faster by using a codec that used the onboard h264 processor. I couldn't get intels QT or VT (whatever their encoding thing is) to work or get the results that i got on my PI2. At the same time, if it was over 720p , it would fail on the PI2 because of memory limitations. If it was not for that, i probably would have created a PI farm for transcoding tons of video. We ended up creating a cloud based solution with Azure Batch which worked out awesomely. At the same time, i refuse to run a GUI on a PI because the performance is pitiful. So, once again... who knows.


When talking about DIY enthusiasts, who are those people? Are they just people who like to build computers? Its not the same as a person wanting to make their own ball launching contraption for their pet right? Those are the DIY people IMO. People who want to strap an auto targeting nerf gun onto a remote control care are going to use a PI and not a computer. People who need a computer for whatever DIY project probably want something more reliable and willing to pay $50 more.


But yes, i hope this is competition in general and not people stealing stuff. Competition is always great.
The PI4 is about as powerful as a mid range phone so I wouldn't say it's weak but I doubt it could run Cinnamon, KDE or Gnome perfectly it can run Android no worse than a low end phone. While a PI couldn't replace a high end machine it is the right tool for people on a low budget to learn how to program for Linux. Also it is a very nice machine to use as router (Banana) or even file server (one of my friend uses it as a portable file server).

Quote:
Quote:
Originally Posted by faraz1729 go_quote.gif
Haha, Liranan, you creep.

Tacitus - The more corrupt the state, the more numerous the laws

Only when the last tree has died and the last river been poisoned and the last fish been caught will we realise we cannot eat money. - Cree Indian Proverb
Liranan is offline  
post #47 of 48 (permalink) Old 02-17-2020, 06:40 AM
Hey I get one of these!
 
KyadCK's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: Chicago
Posts: 7,387
Rep: 315 (Unique: 220)
@Mrzev

http://web.eece.maine.edu/~vweaver/g..._machines.html

Linpack isn't the end-all-be-all, but it does run on pretty much everything. It lists the PI4 as having slightly less GFlops/W than a 4770k, but it has about 14.6% the total performance. In comparison to pretty much any modern CPU or APU, it is pretty down there. Your laptop would be very hard pressed to perform poorly enough to be seen in the same context.

That being said, the Pi4 is $35, is self contained, small, and passively cooled. It's hard to ask for more, except maybe running Linux in a VirtualBox instance for free if you have a good enough PC and do not need it to interact with the real world.

Forge
(15 items)
CPU
AMD Ryzen R9 3900X
Motherboard
Gigabyte X570 Master
GPU
AMD 5700XT PowerColor Devil
RAM
32GB G.Skill TridentZ Neo (2x16GB 3600Mhz/C16)
Hard Drive
Intel 900P 480GB
Power Supply
Corsair AX1200
Cooling
Corsair H150i
Case
Phanteks Evolv X
Operating System
Windows 10 Enterprise x64
Monitor
2x Acer XR341CK
Keyboard
Corsair Vengeance K70 RGB
Mouse
Corsair Vengeance M65 RGB
Audio
Sennheiser HD700
Audio
Sound Blaster AE-9
Audio
Audio Technica AT4040
▲ hide details ▲
KyadCK is offline  
post #48 of 48 (permalink) Old 02-17-2020, 07:12 PM
New to Overclock.net
 
Paradigm Shifter's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Japan
Posts: 2,905
Rep: 252 (Unique: 201)
Quote: Originally Posted by Liranan View Post
The PI4 is about as powerful as a mid range phone so I wouldn't say it's weak but I doubt it could run Cinnamon, KDE or Gnome perfectly it can run Android no worse than a low end phone. While a PI couldn't replace a high end machine it is the right tool for people on a low budget to learn how to program for Linux. Also it is a very nice machine to use as router (Banana) or even file server (one of my friend uses it as a portable file server).
I've experimented with different generations of RPi (original, 2, 3 and 4 - never tried the Zero or other more targetted ones) and the Pi4 is the first one I really consider remotely usable for anything pushing a desktop display.

I'll admit that my demands are higher than a kid who is just learning how to code, but I would consider Openbox or XFCE a reasonable experience on a Pi4... KDE is definitely not. I did persuade MATE to work, but with the distro I was using at the time (I distrohop really frequently on SBC hardware unless its for a particular purpose) Cinnamon constantly whined about lack of 3D acceleration and as a result ran like cold molasses. KDE is less slow, but still not what I would consider appropriately responsive. I loathe Gnome Shell and LXDE so didn't try them. I've never used Raspbian, which I should probably remedy at some point.

I was running a GUI without these speed issues on ODROID C1/C2 hardware, but they have a slightly unfair advantage of eMMC so any drive I/O is vastly improved over a microSD.


Paradigm Shifter is offline  
Reply

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

Register Now

In order to be able to post messages on the Overclock.net - An Overclocking Community forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.
User Name:
If you do not want to register, fill this field only and the name will be used as user name for your post.
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.
Password:
Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.
Email Address:

Log-in



Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page


Forum Jump: 

Posting Rules  
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off