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Because these chips can't be ported to a smaller node. Sure. There is a limited real state in each chip. Investing 15% or 20% won't ever beat investing 100%.

Ain't that backwards? How is a smaller company able to build their own chip? And as I pointed before, BMW is investing in Graphcore. I'm quite sure Nvidia is just a stopgap for these companies like it was for Tesla.
Never said they couldn't be ported to a smaller node, I'm stating that nVidia's cards die size are mostly made up by their SM cores while the performance they're comparing is actually just nVidia's 640 tensor cores. Again GPU's training performance can't be matched by these inferencing cores they you linked. I'm sure nVidia is investing more than these smaller ASIC companies to improve their tensor cores.

Have you ever heard the term it's cheaper to build in house? It's the same reason Apple made their own SoC for their iOS devices.

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Never said they couldn't be ported to a smaller node, I'm stating that nVidia's cards die size are mostly made up by their SM cores while the performance they're comparing is actually just nVidia's 640 tensor cores. Again GPU's training performance can't be matched by these inferencing cores they you linked. I'm sure nVidia is investing more than these smaller ASIC companies to improve their tensor cores.
"Mostly made up"? It was a complete slaughter.

You linked a resnet 50 score that was fulminated by one of these ASICs. That's the point.

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Have you ever heard the term it's cheaper to build in house? It's the same reason Apple made their own SoC for their iOS devices.

https://www.slashgear.com/nvidia-cor...down-23574441/
Hence, the stopgap. Tesla seems to be doing a good job with their hardware that would lead to mark both check boxes to ditch Nvidia.

- Can be done.
- It is cheaper.

What is that link for? To derail the thread even further?

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My first computer only had 640Kb of ram. I think it has more than my first 4 computers.
Poor thing, My first - TRS80/4 only had 64k and booted from Floppy. We did have a massive 15MB Winchester External HD so that was fun.

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Poor thing, My first - TRS80/4 only had 64k and booted from Floppy. We did have a massive 15MB Winchester External HD so that was fun.

Well I didn't count the Apple ][ with only 48k, that loaded cassette tapes since that was a family computer. The 8088 with 640k was the first computer that was all mine.

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Those expensive Intel chips actually crush AMD's higher core count Rome chips for their use case. If you actually work directly with a vendor like I do those chips are lower than Intel's MSRP. I switched my hyper-visors, GPU compute nodes and storage nodes to Epyc Rome's over the summer but for HPC we continue to buy Intel for our CPU compute nodes/research workstations.

https://insidehpc.com/2019/05/intel-...-on-resnet-50/
At my work the first HPC cluster was all AMD (back when Opterons were king) but now everything is Intel. What DRM do you use for your HPC cluster?

For AMD's EPYC can't you get more system memory per RU than with Intel?
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Saying that your CPU has a better resnet 50 score is like saying that your GPU has better bitcoin mining hash rate.

Both are outdated by ASICs.
One comment for that article seems to say a lot about its relevance:

'In the left corner: Intel using dual-socket Platinum 9282, 56-core 400W CPU, 768GB DDR 3Ghz memory: Cost: about $80K, 1000W.
In the right corner: Nvidia using a single Tesla V100 32GB GPU, 250W, $8K.

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At my work the first HPC cluster was all AMD (back when Opterons were king) but now everything is Intel. What DRM do you use for your HPC cluster?

For AMD's EPYC can't you get more system memory per RU than with Intel?
We're using Slurm, our researchers that funded the cluster upgrade required AVX512. Could we have gotten more memory and cores with AMD's Epyc? Yes, which is the reason we went with Romes for our hypervisors and storage nodes.

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Wish there was proper EPYC workstation motherboards out there. Even TRx40 boards are pretty lacking other than Gigabyte's offerings which are proper layouts. Waiting out another generation until we get more channels on HEDT.

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Wish there was proper EPYC workstation motherboards out there. Even TRx40 boards are pretty lacking other than Gigabyte's offerings which are proper layouts. Waiting out another generation until we get more channels on HEDT.
I'm shocked Asus still hasn't released a WS board. The x570 WS board has IPMI support.

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