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post #11 of 20 (permalink) Old 03-05-2020, 07:58 AM
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I remember quite clearly just a few years ago all the constant flaming of AMD, proclamations of their iminent death. Which was only delayed by their rabid fanboys who didn't know how lame they were for using AMD products.

I'll just highlight the real important info in this announcement.
"Many analysts had contended that the DOE would offer the El Capitan contract to Nvidia, so today's announcement marks another loss for Nvidia, which currently isn't participating in any known exascale-class supercomputer project. That's particularly interesting because Nvidia GPUs currently dominate the Top 500 supercomputers and are the leading solution for GPU-accelerated compute in the data center.

The DOE originally announced El Capitan in August 2019, but at the time the agency hadn't come to a final decision on either the CPUs or GPUs that would power what will soon be the world's fastest supercomputer. That's because the agency engaged in a late-binding contract process to suss out which vendor could provide the best solution for a system that would be deployed in late 2022 and operational in 2023, meaning it evaluated future technology from multiple vendors.

As such, it's telling that the DOE selected AMD's next-gen platforms, as it highlights that its next-gen products are more suitable for the project than either Intel or Nvidia's future offerings. It's also noteworthy that the system has a particular focus on AI and machine learning workloads."

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post #12 of 20 (permalink) Old 03-05-2020, 08:26 AM
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I remember quite clearly just a few years ago all the constant flaming of AMD, proclamations of their iminent death. Which was only delayed by their rabid fanboys who didn't know how lame they were for using AMD products.

I'll just highlight the real important info in this announcement.
"Many analysts had contended that the DOE would offer the El Capitan contract to Nvidia, so today's announcement marks another loss for Nvidia, which currently isn't participating in any known exascale-class supercomputer project. That's particularly interesting because Nvidia GPUs currently dominate the Top 500 supercomputers and are the leading solution for GPU-accelerated compute in the data center.

The DOE originally announced El Capitan in August 2019, but at the time the agency hadn't come to a final decision on either the CPUs or GPUs that would power what will soon be the world's fastest supercomputer. That's because the agency engaged in a late-binding contract process to suss out which vendor could provide the best solution for a system that would be deployed in late 2022 and operational in 2023, meaning it evaluated future technology from multiple vendors.

As such, it's telling that the DOE selected AMD's next-gen platforms, as it highlights that its next-gen products are more suitable for the project than either Intel or Nvidia's future offerings. It's also noteworthy that the system has a particular focus on AI and machine learning workloads."

AMD #1.
This is total nonsense, we all know that the 9900KFC is still the best gaming CPU and we know that the 2080Ti is FPS king, therefore the DOE are staffed by amateurs who don't frequent these boards.

Sarcasm aside you do make a very good point. According to Puget Systems a 5700XT is equal to and bests the 2080Ti in many compute workloads that aren't purely FPS related. According to their video rendering benchmarks it's not worth getting a 2080Ti or Titan as a 5700XT can render just as fast, if not faster (RED for example) for less.

It is possible that the DOE either got as of yet unreleased products or custom chips. I am very curious as to what they obtained. Sadly we will never find out.

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Yeah, I'm not sure I have the same faith in AMD's future GPU offerings. Nvidia has always been datacenter king.

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Yeah, just read that article, congrats AMD! It's well-deserved.

With that said, on a much smaller scale, I prefer Nvidia GPUs for my AMD Gaming and Intel HTPC builds.

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Another sign for AMD getting to be a part of that JEDI contract. Government always like to follow each other's footsteps to keep the similarity. Whether Amazon or MS come out on top after the hold on the JEDI contract, you know darn well they will get urged to follow and use what other federal organizations use.

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Quote: Originally Posted by Redwoodz View Post
I remember quite clearly just a few years ago all the constant flaming of AMD, proclamations of their iminent death. Which was only delayed by their rabid fanboys who didn't know how lame they were for using AMD products.

I'll just highlight the real important info in this announcement.
"Many analysts had contended that the DOE would offer the El Capitan contract to Nvidia, so today's announcement marks another loss for Nvidia, which currently isn't participating in any known exascale-class supercomputer project. That's particularly interesting because Nvidia GPUs currently dominate the Top 500 supercomputers and are the leading solution for GPU-accelerated compute in the data center.

The DOE originally announced El Capitan in August 2019, but at the time the agency hadn't come to a final decision on either the CPUs or GPUs that would power what will soon be the world's fastest supercomputer. That's because the agency engaged in a late-binding contract process to suss out which vendor could provide the best solution for a system that would be deployed in late 2022 and operational in 2023, meaning it evaluated future technology from multiple vendors.

As such, it's telling that the DOE selected AMD's next-gen platforms, as it highlights that its next-gen products are more suitable for the project than either Intel or Nvidia's future offerings. It's also noteworthy that the system has a particular focus on AI and machine learning workloads."

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from $3 a share to $45 a share in less than 5 years.

death was strongly overstated.

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from $3 a share to $45 a share in less than 5 years.

death was strongly overstated.

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next one i'm calling is NV 10x'ing over the next 5-10 years, again.
(this is where someone points out Intel's new AI tech)

don't care.

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next one i'm calling is NV 10x'ing over the next 5-10 years, again.
(this is where someone points out Intel's new AI tech)

don't care.
Wasn't nvidia in just about everything self driving cars a few years back? Since then most of the clients have left and are developing their own solutions. I expect the same to happen with the other AI stuff too. 10X'ing............sure!
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Quote: Originally Posted by Redwoodz View Post
I remember quite clearly just a few years ago all the constant flaming of AMD, proclamations of their iminent death. Which was only delayed by their rabid fanboys who didn't know how lame they were for using AMD products.

I'll just highlight the real important info in this announcement.
"Many analysts had contended that the DOE would offer the El Capitan contract to Nvidia, so today's announcement marks another loss for Nvidia, which currently isn't participating in any known exascale-class supercomputer project. That's particularly interesting because Nvidia GPUs currently dominate the Top 500 supercomputers and are the leading solution for GPU-accelerated compute in the data center.

The DOE originally announced El Capitan in August 2019, but at the time the agency hadn't come to a final decision on either the CPUs or GPUs that would power what will soon be the world's fastest supercomputer. That's because the agency engaged in a late-binding contract process to suss out which vendor could provide the best solution for a system that would be deployed in late 2022 and operational in 2023, meaning it evaluated future technology from multiple vendors.

As such, it's telling that the DOE selected AMD's next-gen platforms, as it highlights that its next-gen products are more suitable for the project than either Intel or Nvidia's future offerings. It's also noteworthy that the system has a particular focus on AI and machine learning workloads."

AMD #1.
A large chunk of that decision is actually Infinity Fabric GPU-CPU-GPU.

nVidia GPUS are still strong, and will continue to be, but the only CPU vendor willing to use nVLink is IBM, and POWER may as well be dead in water.

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This is total nonsense, we all know that the 9900KFC is still the best gaming CPU and we know that the 2080Ti is FPS king, therefore the DOE are staffed by amateurs who don't frequent these boards.

Sarcasm aside you do make a very good point. According to Puget Systems a 5700XT is equal to and bests the 2080Ti in many compute workloads that aren't purely FPS related. According to their video rendering benchmarks it's not worth getting a 2080Ti or Titan as a 5700XT can render just as fast, if not faster (RED for example) for less.

It is possible that the DOE either got as of yet unreleased products or custom chips. I am very curious as to what they obtained. Sadly we will never find out.
They got Zen 4 and whatever Instinct GPU will be available at that time. It says so in the article.

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