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post #11 of 21 (permalink) Old 03-10-2020, 01:46 PM
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Yep. APUs are coming along, but it will probably be some time before we see one that is true gaming grade.
The PS4, Xbox one, and Switch are all APU/SOC chips already. Memory bandwidth is the primary limiting factor for laptop/desktop gaming performance right now. DDR5 will help but for real change AMD or Intel will have to move to 192 bit memory controllers.

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so can a laymen such as me run more CPU's in a config without QPI links and 2 gpu's that act like one?
right? still waiting for OG APU promises, all these years later

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The PS4, Xbox one, and Switch are all APU/SOC chips already. Memory bandwidth is the primary limiting factor for laptop/desktop gaming performance right now. DDR5 will help but for real change AMD or Intel will have to move to 192 bit memory controllers.
i feel like my 1080ti n 2080ti are both hamstrung by memory @ 4K. slapping +500(or 1000 on turing) on mem is usually just enough to smooth things out.

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Yeah, bandwidth is one of those things we just can't get enough of right now. DDR5 can't come fast enough and we still need more. HBM2 would've put a stop to that, too bad it's so darn expensive. Maybe when AMD moves to 3D stacked APUs (ZEN4?) we will see CPU+GPU with HBM3 as an on-package L4 cache(ala Broadwell GT3e). 16GB HBM2e stacks pushing 460GB/s(~4X DDR5 quad channel) of bandwidth are shipping this year, if HBM3 brings prices down we might see some seriously impressive laptops coming out in 2022.

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Yep. APUs are coming along, but it will probably be some time before we see one that is true gaming grade.
Only on the low end of GPU performance.
Considering even mid-range GPUs taking 175W+, you can't pair that amount of power with a CPU and expect to cool it well enough to give you decent desktop performance.
APUs are still only a low end solution for now, and it will stay that way until major breakthrough in performance and much lower lithography comes out.


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Only on the low end of GPU performance.
Considering even mid-range GPUs taking 175W+, you can't pair that amount of power with a CPU and expect to cool it well enough to give you decent desktop performance.
APUs are still only a low end solution for now, and it will stay that way until major breakthrough in performance and much lower lithography comes out.
Even then a dedicated GPU on a new revolutionary substrate will still give much higher performance than an APU as there's no CPU creating heat.

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The weird thing is CPU+GPU "Packages" used to be standard, every console before PS4/XOne was a collection of separate chips soldered to the motherboard.
Why can't anyone do that in the PC space? (Not necessarily soldered to the motherboard, but with Ryzen we have plenty of chips in a package now, every Intel CPU for years has had video output circuits, adding a DGPU into the mix shouldn't be hard.)
Like the Intel Vega chips?

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Only on the low end of GPU performance.
Considering even mid-range GPUs taking 175W+, you can't pair that amount of power with a CPU and expect to cool it well enough to give you decent desktop performance.
APUs are still only a low end solution for now, and it will stay that way until major breakthrough in performance and much lower lithography comes out.
... Eh?



The 5500XT has a 130w TDP.
A 4800U has a 15w TDP.

When did ~160w become hard to cool?

The hold backs are memory bandwidth, which they could just chuck an HBM stack on die if they wanted to, and cost.

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Yeah, bandwidth is one of those things we just can't get enough of right now. DDR5 can't come fast enough and we still need more. HBM2 would've put a stop to that, too bad it's so darn expensive. Maybe when AMD moves to 3D stacked APUs (ZEN4?) we will see CPU+GPU with HBM3 as an on-package L4 cache(ala Broadwell GT3e). 16GB HBM2e stacks pushing 460GB/s(~4X DDR5 quad channel) of bandwidth are shipping this year, if HBM3 brings prices down we might see some seriously impressive laptops coming out in 2022.
bandwidth has been my limitation since Fermi due to my wide screen/high res obsession.

can only hope for something juicy in the top ranks this/next year, as the last two rounds have been an absolute cash grabbing joke.

market is imploding again today, likely gonna trigger fail safes again today. buy low, sell high.

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The 5500XT has a 130w TDP.
A 4800U has a 15w TDP.

When did ~160w become hard to cool?

The hold backs are memory bandwidth, which they could just chuck an HBM stack on die if they wanted to, and cost.
i think his point was the anemic stock coolers, not to mention el-cheapo motherboards that would roast itself when pushed beyond 125W power draw.
to point out, whats stopping AMD from making a 300W TDP socket a standard? we'd be better off with 150W~300W APUs for desktops.

then theres the laptop's ever thinning design, "forcing" manufacturers to abandon bulky efficient coolers for passive tiny flattened copper heatpipes.
tbh, if they only made the rear portion of the laptops an inch thick they'd be able to fit in beefy high density fin coolers in there.

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i think his point was the anemic stock coolers, not to mention el-cheapo motherboards that would roast itself when pushed beyond 125W power draw.
to point out, whats stopping AMD from making a 300W TDP socket a standard? we'd be better off with 150W~300W APUs for desktops.

then theres the laptop's ever thinning design, "forcing" manufacturers to abandon bulky efficient coolers for passive tiny flattened copper heatpipes.
tbh, if they only made the rear portion of the laptops an inch thick they'd be able to fit in beefy high density fin coolers in there.
that's pretty much reserved for full on desktop replacements, and high end gaming laptops these days.

even my HP Z-Book with desktop i7 and mobile quadro is just shy of ultra book standard. (company provided, can't complain, as i3s don't really like 4K screens)

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Yep. APUs are coming along, but it will probably be some time before we see one that is true gaming grade.
Negative, Not an APU! It is not a CPU, it is not a GPU. It is a PU!

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