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post #141 of 159 (permalink) Old 04-03-2020, 03:22 AM
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Who cares if it's selling to millions of people? Is that supposed to make it a good product? The GamersNexus review of the Xbox One made it clear it's performance is GARBAGE because of the potato class CPU.
This is about the xbox series X which is zen 2

everyone knew ps4/xbone had crappy cpus

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Yeah 2080 performance will take a hit in price agreed 1k.us minimum.
Sony and Microsoft have always lost money on the actual console themselves. They make their money licensing the console to developers and their games

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And changes nothing in price to performance.
If you want the fastest you have to pay for the privilege. 2080Ti's aren't cheap either.
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In random reads/writes the Optane is a clear winner over anything else -- and that's for the PCIe variant.
https://www.techspot.com/review/1956...e-performance/

The Corsairm MP600 is also more impressive than Samsung.

But this is still ignoring the DCPMM variant of optane, which absolutely destroys all NAND based storage solutions in bandwidth and latency.

It'll be interesting to see what kind of price the Xbox Series X commands and if they incorporate the top tier SSD solutions in the end product.
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If you want the fastest you have to pay for the privilege. 2080Ti's aren't cheap either.
Like the 2080Ti, as soon as these consoles come out and equal or better the best PC hardware on the market today, all existing PC hardware will only be worth a fraction of what it sells for right now.
The prices you see now are insanely inflated by the lack of competition.

Until someone does gaming benchmarks there is no reason to believe DCPMM provides any extra benefits, gaming is still the wrong application for that technology.
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^^ definitely agree with you there.

next gen consoles, combined with next gen GPU releases = turing will age worse than GTX970.

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Like the 2080Ti, as soon as these consoles come out and equal or better the best PC hardware on the market today, all existing PC hardware will only be worth a fraction of what it sells for right now.
The prices you see now are insanely inflated by the lack of competition.

Until someone does gaming benchmarks there is no reason to believe DCPMM provides any extra benefits, gaming is still the wrong application for that technology.
Doesn't that all depend on how you use the DCPMM? DCPMM comes in much higher capacities than any DDR DIMM (up to 512 GiB on a single stick). It could therefore be used to cache games data more effectively than any SSD due to its bandwidth and latency advantages. Even the lowest capacity DCPMM is 128 GiB, which can cache some games in their entirety.
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Doesn't that all depend on how you use the DCPMM? DCPMM comes in much higher capacities than any DDR DIMM (up to 512 GiB on a single stick). It could therefore be used to cache games data more effectively than any SSD due to its bandwidth and latency advantages. Even the lowest capacity DCPMM is 128 GiB, which can cache some games in their entirety.
At what cost? Consumers will not pay for Optane to cache their games so they get a seconds lower load time and I am one of those consumers who would rather put the money to use where it matters more e.g. more RAM, faster CPU and GPU or just more storage (SSD or mechanical).

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At what cost? Consumers will not pay for Optane to cache their games so they get a seconds lower load time and I am one of those consumers who would rather put the money to use where it matters more e.g. more RAM, faster CPU and GPU or just more storage (SSD or mechanical).
Does anyone really need a 2080Ti? If you want the best possible performance you're not going to find it in M2 or SSD formats you're going to find in Optane DCPMM. I don't think any consumer motherboards support Optane DCPMM, although the Asrock Taichi z390 claims to support Optane on its webpage, there's no mention of how they support it in the motherboard manual.
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Does anyone really need a 2080Ti? If you want the best possible performance you're not going to find it in M2 or SSD formats you're going to find in Optane DCPMM. I don't think any consumer motherboards support Optane DCPMM, although the Asrock Taichi z390 claims to support Optane on its webpage, there's no mention of how they support it in the motherboard manual.
Wow that hypocrisy.

You realize that one 128GB Optane DIMM cost $700, right? You can go buy a 280GB PCI-e Optane drive for $400 and bump your 2080S to a 2080ti, all without sacrificing your CPU performance (and yet more money) by having to go Cascade Lake.

As for Asrock, they're advertising Optane "Memory", not DIMMs. Optane Memory is where you use a small (32GB or less generally) m.2 Optane drive as cache for your HDD, and then Intel goes for broke on the false advertising lawsuits by adding that number to the RAM on the specs page.

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