Originally Posted by 8051
Your strawman argument won't work on me. I never stated optane memory is better than a 2080Ti just that top tier performance comes w/top tier prices.
... And yet no one needs a 2080ti? I do recall you saying that in this thread.
The problem with your argument is you fail to see the whole picture. If you want Optane DIMMs, then you need Cascade Lake, which means you can't have a 9900KS, which means you can't have the best performance in lightly threaded workloads, like gaming, the original topic being that this is a console thread.
See how that works?
Originally Posted by 8051
You were the one ranting and raving about consoles having the superior secondary storage scheme to stream video game assets. 128 GiB of DCPMM is far superior to ANYTHING you'll be getting in any console anywhere. But I don't even know if you can use DCPMM in any consumer motherboard so what's the point?
It's hilarious that all this came up over your comment that the new consoles would be far better at streaming video game assets, yet M.2 optane devices would facilitate exactly that on PC's and be better at it than any of your SSD devices.
Furthermore (from https://www.intel.com/content/www/us...leCode=us_en):
"Intel® Optane™ memory can be used to combine, or ‘pair’, SATA storage devices with Intel® Optane™ technology to increase system responsiveness. Intel® Optane™ memory H Series provides the capability to combine, or ‘pair’, Intel® QLC 3D NAND storage with Intel® Optane™ technology on one M.2 2280 form factor using the Intel® Rapid Storage Technology (Intel® RST) software and management applications."
"No. It can only be used in systems with the proper system BIOS capable of recognizing both halves of the device:
The Intel® Optane™ memory side, and
The Intel® QLC 3D NAND side
Each portion of the device will be recognized as a PCIe* x2 device, which can be combined, or ‘paired’, into a single volume using the Intel® RST driver and applications. If the device is placed in a system that isn't properly supported, only the Intel® QLC 3D NAND side of the device will be recognized and accessible.
Important: Using the device in this state is not validated or supported by Intel; results aren't guaranteed."
So it's not limited to only being useful as a cache for slower devices.
I don't know what the point is, why did you bring it up if you do not know the point of your argument?
Last I checked, I do not believe I spoke about streaming assets being better than on PC. You can find the post and show me I'm wrong, but my arguments about the consoles were about GPUs primarily, and my only argument on the topic of the storage was that there were zero external hot-swap competing standards that would be better than what Microsoft chose to make, and I don't think I voiced that here, only on Discord.
Fun fact, even on the H10, it is used to cache for a slow SSD. See the bit about how it is not supported in any other way?
What you want for non-cache performance are the Optane 900p and 905p, the Optane-only AIC or 2.5in drives, like the one in my rig, as they can be used in any computer. Not the cruddy M.2 solutions (Optane "Memory") or the impossible to use DIMM (Optane DIMMs) ones.
Fun fact number two, it does not provide a significant boost in gaming because you are CPU limited far more than storage limited on loading times, even on a SATA SSD, at least for now. Optane excels in random
reads, and game texture streaming is, clearly given what tech is in the consoles, going to be sequentially optimized. Optane cards are not the fastest NVMe solution in Seq reads.