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[Guru3d] PlayStation 5 Tech Details - 8x ZEN2 cores, RDNA2 with 2304 shaders (16GB GDDR6) + 825 GB (5.5 GB/s) M.2 SSD

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The GPU is listed having 36 (new Xbox actually has 52) compute units, if the shader clusters hold 64 units per cluster (and we're pretty certain of that) then that accounts for 2304 shader processors for PS5 running at clock frequencies that can hit 2230 MHz on the GPU and 3.5 GHz on the processor cores (max boost values). Both the CPU and GPU will thus get variable (boost) frequencies, much like we have had for years on our desktop PCs. For the GPU that also means different as game and max boost frequencies. We think the GPU will be more at a sub 2 GHz 'game clock' rather than that (really impressive) 2230 MHz. This is an interesting clock frequency to learn from with BIG NAVI in mind eh? Anyway, that brings the new console towards 10.3 TFLOPs of compute perf (GPU), where the Xbox claims 12 TFLOPS.

The memory subsystem is based on 16 GB of GDDR6 memory shared in-between the System and GPU. The presence of an SSD drops the need for normal memory. Storage wise the PS5 will get an ultra-fast SSD based on a 12-channel controller. That is NVMe M.2 based, and also based on PCI-Express 4.0. This will bring 5.5 GB/s peak sequential transfer rates towards the PS5 (in the presentation referred to as storage bandwidth).

The SSD is 825 GB in size but can be expanded with another M2 SSD. You can install certified M.2 SSDs as extra storage, they need to be as fast as the standard SSD in the PS5 and thus PCIe 4.0 compatible as well. 3D audio is also a big part of the new PS5. The new PS5 development kits will go out to developers late this year.
Source: https://www.guru3d.com/news-story/pl...-gbs)-ssd.html

Interesting how this compares to the Xbox. A little less GPU power, a lot faster SSD. Will be interesting to see how that plays out over time.

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As long as they ship at the anticipated price points (PS5 $399 Xbox $499) you're getting pretty much exactly the same price to performance either way.
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With Microsoft taking the multi-plat approach of new games supporting both the old X1X as well as PCs, it's going to be held back simply due to lack of hardware-specific development and possibly the need for real-time scaling (unless they're doing hardware-specific compiles, unlikely), this makes me think that the PS5 exclusives will look much better.

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With Microsoft taking the multi-plat approach of new games supporting both the old X1X as well as PCs, it's going to be held back simply due to lack of hardware-specific development and possibly the need for real-time scaling (unless they're doing hardware-specific compiles, unlikely), this makes me think that the PS5 exclusives will look much better.
I think factoring that in doesn't entirely negate the discrepancy in raw performance here so I think ultimately differences in IQ will be pretty minor one way or the other. There's no reason to expect any worse scaling than you'd see from a PC right, maybe the baseline is a little tainted but it doesn't mean you won't get scaled up IQ settings. It also potentially means a PC first approach from MS and we certainly don't need to complain about that here at OCN.

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As long as they ship at the anticipated price points (PS5 $399 Xbox $499) you're getting pretty much exactly the same price to performance either way.
Most likely those PS5 SSD speeds will cost a lot more than the additional CUs on the XSX GPU. I don't expect them to be $100 apart, but, the XSX is still a good buy at $100 more. And probably Sony has no choice but to undercut the Xbox here... The Xbox is simply too good a package. Not only on the hardware side, but the features are also looking very good.
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I think factoring that in doesn't entirely negate the discrepancy in raw performance here so I think ultimately differences in IQ will be pretty minor one way or the other. There's no reason to expect any worse scaling than you'd see from a PC right, maybe the baseline is a little tainted but it doesn't mean you won't get scaled up IQ settings.
Yeah but think about it - "high-end" PC gaming is relatively trash compared to what "high-end" PCs are capable of, and this is due to lack of hardware-specific software. I think the XSX games will suffer from this just like multiplats always tend to do.

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I think factoring that in doesn't entirely negate the discrepancy in raw performance here so I think ultimately differences in IQ will be pretty minor one way or the other. There's no reason to expect any worse scaling than you'd see from a PC right, maybe the baseline is a little tainted but it doesn't mean you won't get scaled up IQ settings. It also potentially means a PC first approach from MS and we certainly don't need to complain about that here at OCN.
This is wrong.

If the X1X had the same CPU and ram as a series X, then it could just scale down graphics with its less powerful GPU and play all the same games but the two consoles are not similar at all, other than that they both use standard PC-like hardware. For sure there would be issues if games are designed with the X1X in mind, however I don't think MS has officially said that the X1X is to be cheaper version of a series X. I think MS has or had plans to release a second console that would basically be a series X with a lesser GPU aimed at 1080p instead of 4K but they may have just dropped that idea since most people have 4K TVs now, or maybe they just don't want to announce it until later.

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Quote: Originally Posted by Tempest2000 View Post
Yeah but think about it - "high-end" PC gaming is relatively trash compared to what "high-end" PCs are capable of, and this is due to lack of hardware-specific software. I think the XSX games will suffer from this just like multiplats always tend to do.
Sure yeah, I think you're right. I guess i'm just not concerned about it cause i'm on a high end pc, im used to it.. and when I pick a console it'll be because it makes sense for supplementing my usual PC gaming habits but in the living room. I just think the XSX will do a better job of that with its software and featureset, game pass game bundles, play anywhere titles, full commitment to first party games on PC meaning all of them should be play anywhere. It just makes a good case for being my HTPC/media center.

The PS5 will have a few better exclusives no doubt, but there's not gonna be enough to prevent it being a dust collector 90% of the time - think it's better suited as an end of cycle buy pro model/all games at once then resell kind of thing.

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Sure yeah, I think you're right. I guess i'm just not concerned about it cause i'm on a high end pc, im used to it.. and when I pick a console it'll be because it makes sense for supplementing my usual PC gaming habits but in the living room. I just think the XSX will do a better job of that with its software and featureset, game pass game bundles, play anywhere titles, full commitment to first party games on PC meaning all of them should be play anywhere. It just makes a good case for being my HTPC/media center.

The PS5 will have a few better exclusives no doubt, but there's not gonna be enough to prevent it being a dust collector 90% of the time - think it's better suited as an end of cycle buy pro model/all games at once then resell kind of thing.
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This is wrong.

If the X1X had the same CPU and ram as a series X, then it could just scale down graphics with its less powerful GPU and play all the same games but the two consoles are not similar at all, other than that they both use standard PC-like hardware. For sure there would be issues if games are designed with the X1X in mind, however I don't think MS has officially said that the X1X is to be cheaper version of a series X. I think MS has or had plans to release a second console that would basically be a series X with a lesser GPU aimed at 1080p instead of 4K but they may have just dropped that idea since most people have 4K TVs now, or maybe they just don't want to announce it until later.
MS has said they're going to continue to support the X1X for the first 1-2 years with all the same first party games the Series X gets. 3rd party titles will probably do the same for a while too. My assumption is that games would be scaled up, not scaled down, if what they showed Digital Foundry is true then essentially it's already been seen in practice with a gears 5 port that only took two weeks but runs at higher IQ settings and higher framerates so idk. I guess there's still a lot unknown but I don't think it is wrong to assume the potential to be held back from full specific optimization is there. That said I don't doubt there will be 3rd party games that do fully specifically optimize and in those cases the XSX will be a clear winner.

If they weren't similar enough, they wouldn't have full support for backwards compatibility.. I'm pretty sure in regards to Sony I heard Cerny mention something specifically about making sure the hardware didn't deviate too much.
Aside from that.. I'm not sure I understand what you're getting at.. this is all still PC architectures.. if it wasn't scalable between the two the implication then is that games on PC targeting RDNA 2 GPUs in the future wouldn't be able to scale down IQ for a polaris 580 or something.. that definitely doesn't make any sense.

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