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post #11 of 39 (permalink) Old 04-01-2020, 05:25 AM
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Kind of reminds me of the 12c/24t xeon laptop eurocom made.
It was also overclockable.
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Quote: Originally Posted by Imglidinhere View Post
Also... good lord how hot is that chassis gonna be?
Not that hot. Check this out:



Quote: Originally Posted by Coach Mcguirk View Post
I'm more curious about how heavy this things going to be.
2.6kg with CPU, RAM, 1x M.2 SSD and WiFi installed. If you add an HDD, it might border on 2.7kg.

Quote: Originally Posted by MrKoala View Post
A 3990X can maintain decent clocks while not going beyond high-end mobile GPUs in terms of thermal density and overall power budget. So, Clevo, are you listening?
No plans for Threadrippers right now, since those have a different socket and a TDP of up to 280W. With this kind of CPU TDP it's difficult to cram a dGPU in there, reducing the mass appeal of such a system. I'm sure that many users would love a Threadripper laptop with maybe a 50W GPU (think GTX 1650), coupled with one of the already existing 330W external power supplies. But would this sell enough in the mainstream gaming and creative professional market to warrant the investment?


Or...: how much would you be willing to reduce the CPU TDP while still maintaining good clock speeds? Where is the "Max-Q" sweet spot of 3990X? (honest question)

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Or...: how much would you be willing to reduce the CPU TDP while still maintaining good clock speeds? Where is the "Max-Q" sweet spot of 3990X? (honest question)
I'm sure I've seen some reviews that show a power-limit vs clock curve for the 3990X being throttled to different levels, but can't find any of them via Google now. If anyone happens to know one such source, please share a link.

Judging by the under clocking data on lesser SKUs, the sweet range is fairly wide. I think any power limit no lower than AM4 will justify sTRX4 to some extent. A throttled down TR would have amazingly low thermal density despite the total power draw. If Clevo can handle 9900K with stock IHS, they can handle at least 3970X, and possibly 3980X/3990X.

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I don't know about you guys, but i WANT that
Would Bios mod the h*ck out of it and work with CPPC to reduce thermals
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Hello everyone,

this is the official XMG Support, speaking to you directly from the island of Taiwan. I hope you guys don't mind if we join in to answer any of your questions.

No plans for Threadrippers right now, since those have a different socket and a TDP of up to 280W. With this kind of CPU TDP it's difficult to cram a dGPU in there, reducing the mass appeal of such a system. I'm sure that many users would love a Threadripper laptop with maybe a 50W GPU (think GTX 1650), coupled with one of the already existing 330W external power supplies. But would this sell enough in the mainstream gaming and creative professional market to warrant the investment?

Or...: how much would you be willing to reduce the CPU TDP while still maintaining good clock speeds? Where is the "Max-Q" sweet spot of 3990X? (honest question)

Cheers,
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Hey Tom, glad to have you here
I think people would benefit from cuda more than from a bigger node GPU
It makes me think if RT cores on a 2070SP are even worth to use - because i can image most people would use it either for:
- Portable Compile powerhorse
- Portable LAN party hosting unit (it would need than 5gbit if possible or dual 2.5gbit)
- CAD render machine and business live demonstration unit (for architects or Car Manufactures)
- Dual powertable streaming machine, be it as backpack unit or game + render unit for the desk

It makes me think, could you guys even get a T-Topology 4x1 Channel PCB made for sTRX4 ?
Threadripper with CPPC and fixed powertarget of 180W (the 3960X i have in mind)
Would make a great workstation - expected 3.8Ghz allcore boost at near 0.95v with vSOC at 1025mV
This should in reality be perfectly acceptable and have huge surface area for cooling
But maan would this drive production cost high, and might go into the 4500$ range which is un-affordable
3K might work, but then PCB manufacturing cost would be far to high to make it worth

3900X and 3950X models are a great option i personal think
There's a lot of finetuning you can do to get at least 50-60W away from stock shipping CPUs without killing single % of performance
Looking forward to it~

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It's a downsized desktop, these usually use socketed desktop CPUs. Not BGAs/soldered on or mobile CPUs.
The problem is, size, weight, heat, power. There are not that many people who need or want such a brick to lug around. Especially when they can get 4800H etc. now and those are beastly enough for a laptop.
Doing compute on a laptop should be last resort thing, use a build/render server instead or get a desktop.
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Quote: Originally Posted by JackCY View Post
Doing compute on a laptop should be last resort thing, use a build/render server instead or get a desktop.
Agreeing fully - even more when this machines will cost a fortune
The only usecase i can imagine are travel workers and business man who need this kind of perf
Same as pentesters
I would be happy to have one, it would have good usecases ~ even tho it's far out of what i'd ever spend on a "notebook"

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I don't know about you guys, but i WANT that
Would Bios mod the h*ck out of it and work with CPPC to reduce thermals

Hey Tom, glad to have you here
I think people would benefit from cuda more than from a bigger node GPU
It makes me think if RT cores on a 2070SP are even worth to use - because i can image most people would use it either for:
- Portable Compile powerhorse
- Portable LAN party hosting unit (it would need than 5gbit if possible or dual 2.5gbit)
- CAD render machine and business live demonstration unit (for architects or Car Manufactures)
- Dual powertable streaming machine, be it as backpack unit or game + render unit for the desk

It makes me think, could you guys even get a T-Topology 4x1 Channel PCB made for sTRX4 ?
Threadripper with CPPC and fixed powertarget of 180W (the 3960X i have in mind)
Would make a great workstation - expected 3.8Ghz allcore boost at near 0.95v with vSOC at 1025mV
This should in reality be perfectly acceptable and have huge surface area for cooling
But maan would this drive production cost high, and might go into the 4500$ range which is un-affordable
3K might work, but then PCB manufacturing cost would be far to high to make it worth

3900X and 3950X models are a great option i personal think
There's a lot of finetuning you can do to get at least 50-60W away from stock shipping CPUs without killing single % of performance
Looking forward to it~
I am sure the Clevo chassis will be able to handle a 3950x @ 4ghz all cores with max fans.

And if the bios is unlocked then I guess a CCX OC would even take it up a notch, with an unlocked 2080 super @ 200w.

OMG I CANT WAIT FOR THAT BEAST

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Quote: Originally Posted by JackCY View Post
It's a downsized desktop, these usually use socketed desktop CPUs. Not BGAs/soldered on or mobile CPUs.
The problem is, size, weight, heat, power. There are not that many people who need or want such a brick to lug around. Especially when they can get 4800H etc. now and those are beastly enough for a laptop.
Doing compute on a laptop should be last resort thing, use a build/render server instead or get a desktop.
I lug around a P870-TM-G wich is somewhere around the 7 or so kilogram mark, It uses 2 powersupplies (though i often only use one) It has 2 1070s and an 8700k, All of them are overclocked with a 120hz 1440p panel, It's called a back pack people we used to use them, I take it with me to work daily

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Quote: Originally Posted by Veii View Post
Hey Tom, glad to have you here

Hi Veii, great to be here!


Quote: Originally Posted by Veii View Post
It makes me think, could you guys even get a T-Topology 4x1 Channel PCB made for sTRX4 ?

I don't know. But I forwarded yours and MrKoala's post verbatim to our rep at the ODM including source and some comments of my own.


Quote: Originally Posted by Veii View Post
3900X and 3950X models are a great option i personal think

Current pre-order statistics:
  • 30% 3600
  • 40% 3700X
  • 30% 3900
No pre-order on 3950X yet, but the sample size is still too small.
Should we include 3900X in the BTO configurator? We haven't tested it yet. I hope it won't run hotter than 3950X.


Quote: Originally Posted by Veii View Post
There's a lot of finetuning you can do to get at least 50-60W away from stock shipping CPUs without killing single % of performance
Looking forward to it~

Quote: Originally Posted by Awsan View Post
OMG I CANT WAIT FOR THAT BEAST

You guys are gonna buy one? Feel free to send me a PM.


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