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[WCCF] AMD’s Fine Wine In Action – Radeon HD 7970 More Than Twice As Fast As NVIDIA’s GTX 680 in DOOM Eternal, Same For All GCN Cards

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The Radeon HD 7970 GHz edition, for example, is 124% faster than the GeForce GTX 680 and 75% faster than the GeForce GTX 780 Ti. Both cards, the HD 7970 GHz edition and the GTX 680 launched at $499 US with NVIDIA keeping the front lead in terms of efficiency while AMD focused on raw performance. But AMD's Fine Wine has worked and it shows that you can play a modern title, albeit at low settings, at a smooth 60 FPS with AMD's card while NVIDIA's cards fail to produce a playable environment.
https://wccftech.com/amds-fine-wine-...maxwell-cards/


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I know it's not relevant to the enthusiasts today, but even still remembering back then this is nuts... GCN was very capable, just before its time(API wise).. Nvidia just didn't care i suppose, they knew they could wait it out.

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https://wccftech.com/amds-fine-wine-...maxwell-cards/


Original source : https://youtu.be/pm9awf5ceJ0

I know it's not relevant to the enthusiasts today, but even still remembering back then this is nuts... GCN was very capable, just before its time(API wise).. Nvidia just didn't care i suppose, they knew they could wait it out.
Nvidia designs for the short term. They design so ahead that their stuff is already outdated by the time they come out compared to what they have in their labs. AMD in the other hands releases whatever every they can and try to predict the future. I personally thing build a GPU that lasts 3-4 years. Kepler is over 7 years old now. Most people would not care.

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Nvidia designs for the short term. They design so ahead that their stuff is already outdated by the time they come out compared to what they have in their labs. AMD in the other hands releases whatever every they can and try to predict the future. I personally thing build a GPU that lasts 3-4 years. Kepler is over 7 years old now. Most people would not care.

It's more impressive when you consider the 7970 is 12 years old at this point and handles this game that well! I mean... Fine Wine be damned, it's refreshing to see a meme go from being an insult to a compliment.

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I just wish this performance was there at launch when it really mattered. The world has moved on.
Over ten years ago? The HD 7950 was faster than todays GTX 1050.

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It's more impressive when you consider the 7970 is 12 years old at this point and handles this game that well! I mean... Fine Wine be damned, it's refreshing to see a meme go from being an insult to a compliment.
Launched almost 9 years ago.

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I just wish this performance was there at launch when it really mattered. The world has moved on.
The performance was 'there' at launch & the performance is still here after over a decade!.

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The existence of one game that greatly favors AMD is hardly proof that all do.
I went directly from cfx 7970s to a single 780ti, then to sli 780tis and a single 780ti made cfx 7970s look like trash. GCN has held up better for post processing and async compute, but still lags the same as ever in games that favor shader and geometry performance. You may even be able to disable one or two settings in this particular game that restore the normal hierarchy of performance while losing little visual fidelity. Like Hairworks for W3. I don't for sure know and won't test it, but I did see that in games 2016 and later before I sold my 780tis.

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The existence of one game that greatly favors AMD is hardly proof that all do.
I went directly from cfx 7970s to a single 780ti, then to sli 780tis and a single 780ti made cfx 7970s look like trash. GCN has held up better for post processing and async compute, but still lags the same as ever in games that favor shader and geometry performance. You may even be able to disable one or two settings in this particular game that restore the normal hierarchy of performance while losing little visual fidelity. Like Hairworks for W3. I don't for sure know and won't test it, but I did see that in games 2016 and later before I sold my 780tis.
If those gpus still exist today, then you'll need sli 780Ti to match a single 7970 in this game.

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The performance was 'there' at launch & the performance is still here after over a decade!.
As a refresher, check the launch reviews of the GTX 680. I won't be cherrypicking here so these are just the first results I got from Google:

Anandtech - NVIDIA GeForce GTX 680 Review: Retaking The Performance Crown by Ryan Smith on March 22, 2012 9:00 AM EST
https://www.anandtech.com/show/5699/...gtx-680-review

Geforce GTX 680 review - by Hilbert Hagedoorn on: 03/21/2012 03:00 PM
https://www.guru3d.com/articles-page...-review,1.html

NVIDIA GeForce GTX 680 Kepler 2 GB Review by W1zzard,on Mar 22nd, 2012
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/n...force-gtx-680/

GeForce GTX 680 2 GB Review: Kepler Sends Tahiti On Vacation By Chris Angelini March 22, 2012
https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews...mark,3161.html

Gainward GeForce GTX 680 Phantom Review By Steven Walton on May 1, 2012
https://www.techspot.com/review/525-...force-gtx-680/


Apart from a number of games where the HD7970 is ahead, the GTX 680's lead with everything else was not trivial which made the 680 faster overall at launch while doing so with "lesser" but more efficient hardware and also having a lower price tag than the HD7970. Relative to the 680, the 7970 had better specs on paper, but it was not necessarily the better performer during that period in time. This is the point I was trying to put across.

BTW, Tahiti's review drivers in late December 2011 as well as the launch drivers for the 7970 when finally it shipped in January 2012 were quite buggy and un-optimized to a certain extent which held back the performance of the HD7970 and it took AMD months to fix it with a performance driver, along with launching a higher clocked GHz edition.

The way I saw it was that Kepler had the optimized architecture design for the APIs and games of the time while Tahiti hardware was too advanced for the software of that era. What I'm saying is it's expected for GCN to get better with age considering its forward looking specs. Notice how AMD stuck with GCN for a good amount of time because they were playing the long game with that architecture while Nvidia simply moved from architecture to architecture to address the competitive landscape as it were over the years.

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