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still curious who's dream chip this is. What segment/technology specifically prefers lower core higher clock operations.

someone drop some knowledge on us.
Well, it's close to perfect for my needs at work - where I need a metric tonne of system RAM, but a lot of the work is shuffled off to GPUs so actual CPU cores are less essential. Further, the bits that are CPU-based tend to be low-thread affairs, so higher clock speeds are better. For some data, 256GB RAM per (physical) core is what I'm looking at.

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The target segment for chips like these is for people/companies that are paying for per core licenses for OS's and applications. This is becoming more common for commercial software.
Partially. High system RAM, GPU compute boxes are the other market segment.

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A box with this CPU, an Asrock Rack ROMED8-T2 and 2TB RAM (when 256GB LRDIMMs become available, 1TB until that point) with two or more Quadro RTX8000's in there is just about my current dream setup. If the board would have room (physically) for a pair of the Samsung PM983 7.68TB NVMe SSDs as well... oh boy.


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Welcome to the scam that M$tupid are running. This is one of the reasons why Window is (almost) non-existent in the server market and even they, themselves, don't run their server OS on their Azure cloud servers.
i know all about the azure billing model. I just didn't realize local software was doing this as well


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Well, it's close to perfect for my needs at work - where I need a metric tonne of system RAM, but a lot of the work is shuffled off to GPUs so actual CPU cores are less essential. Further, the bits that are CPU-based tend to be low-thread affairs, so higher clock speeds are better. For some data, 256GB RAM per (physical) core is what I'm looking at.


Partially. High system RAM, GPU compute boxes are the other market segment.

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A box with this CPU, an Asrock Rack ROMED8-T2 and 2TB RAM (when 256GB LRDIMMs become available, 1TB until that point) with two or more Quadro RTX8000's in there is just about my current dream setup. If the board would have room (physically) for a pair of the Samsung PM983 7.68TB NVMe SSDs as well... oh boy.
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still curious who's dream chip this is. What segment/technology specifically prefers lower core higher clock operations.

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I thought that was a desire for the HFT crowd.
At least that is what was reasoned when Intel did it with the low core high frequency special order Xeons. IIRC.

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i like that answer too

AMD stock's gonna be triple digits soon.

gonna lol when stock market just keeps climbing thru all the global main street recession. if that happens, you know why? They know they're screwed once trump is out in a few more years.

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You guys that follow what's going on in the world are like mystics to me. I feel like the future is so uncertain I wouldn't even know where to begin to try and predict how things will go. Though like with computing, we are going to get more cores each new revision so that's easy enough to see.

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You guys that follow what's going on in the world are like mystics to me. I feel like the future is so uncertain I wouldn't even know where to begin to try and predict how things will go. Though like with computing, we are going to get more cores each new revision so that's easy enough to see.
I'd guess that we won't see more cores until possibly 5nm chips on AMD's side, along with DDR5 on new sockets. They basically maxed the number of cores for their current design layouts already, the next few releases will be achitecture based improvements and possibly chipset improvements.

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I suppose that's not too bad then. At least we have the ability to go up to 64 cores on the ultra high end of systems. For now 16 cores from AMD and 18 with the 10980XE is a pretty sweet deal for the price.

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Welcome to the scam that M$tupid are running. This is one of the reasons why Window is (almost) non-existent in the server market and even they, themselves, don't run their server OS on their Azure cloud servers.
1. VMWare don't charge on a per core license model.... oh wait they do! Microsoft are just one of many of the big software vendors that charge on a per core basis for certain products.

2. 'Server market' is a very broad term. In some segments Microsoft have very small low market share, in other segments they dominate. There is no single 'server market', only a child would think that.

3. And yes they do, Microsoft do use Windows based OSs to power Azure. That said, Microsoft are now one of the biggest companies investing into Linux. Look at Git, PowerShell, Windows Subsystem for Linux, SQL, Azure, .Net, and from memory Microsoft are even the biggest fiscal donor to the Linux foundation. How is this a bad thing? Oh I see, you were trying to make it out like Microsoft don't use Windows because it's inferior, rather than the truth that Microsoft themselves have been investing heavily into Linux for years.


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1. VMWare don't charge on a per core license model.... oh wait they do! Microsoft are just one of many of the big software vendors that charge on a per core basis for certain products.

2. 'Server market' is a very broad term. In some segments Microsoft have very small low market share, in other segments they dominate. There is no single 'server market', only a child would think that.

3. And yes they do, Microsoft do use Windows based OSs to power Azure. That said, Microsoft are now one of the biggest companies investing into Linux. Look at Git, PowerShell, Windows Subsystem for Linux, SQL, Azure, .Net, and from memory Microsoft are even the biggest fiscal donor to the Linux foundation. How is this a bad thing? Oh I see, you were trying to make it out like Microsoft don't use Windows because it's inferior, rather than the truth that Microsoft themselves have been investing heavily into Linux for years.
No mainframe or large server runs Windows as it's just not made for that.

It wouldn't surprise me if Windows becomes a proprietory Linux distro.

Comparing VMWare with Windows? Sounds rather smart until you realise that VMWare isn't an OS, unless you mean ESXi.

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