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post #21 of 27 (permalink) Old 05-19-2020, 03:09 PM
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Isn't this just like the old "multi-core enhancement" feature? All they are doing is setting the TDP higher so the CPU is always in turbo, right? What is new? My Haswell machine has this.
i believe it is very close to that. i used a z77 to increase the all core speed of 3.4Ghz to the 3.8Ghz for single core on a i5-2400.
i haven't google fu'ed that exact reason being lazy, recently anandtech published:
Intel’s 10th Gen Comet Lake for Desktops: Skylake-S Hits 10 Cores and 5.3 GHz
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As explained in many of our other articles, motherboard manufacturers have the option to disregard Intel’s turbo limit recommendations. With an appropriately built motherboard, a manufacturer might enforce an all-core 5.3 GHz scenario, regardless of the temperature, for an unlimited time – if the user can cool it sufficiently. This is why we mentioned the 320-350 W turbo power early on in the article, because some of the motherboard manufacturers we’ve talked to have said they will try to do this. Choosing a motherboard just got more complex if a user wants the best out of their new Comet Lake processor.
i suggest further reading; iv'e only looked at asrocks PR. . . . however for the most part it doesn't look you can clock any chip past the intel *specs* (ie using a Z chipset to increase the multi past single core speed). though you are technically still OCing.)

but the maybe most import point (according to ASROCK is YMMV)
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*and cooling matters

idk, tbh, intel should have this with ryzen being able to adjust clock speeds w/not just based on chip series (K/KS/KFC) and one chipset (Z) . . . it really wouldn't hurt the enthusiast market.

maybe some who think they're enthusiasts but still keep "stock" settings.

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So this is just the marketing team renaming something that has been around for almost a decade now. GG ASRock.

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ASRock bringing back BCLK overclock to the newer gen? Nice. This is the reason my i5 6500 is overclocked. If intel is trying to stop this again, intel have no idea what the market is about.

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Derbauer made a video on how things work. He has some inside information and clearly explained that :

1. The chipset is not as important as a decade ago. It acts more as a hardware validation process nowadays. This was defined by INTEL and the chipset will verify if the processor is allowed to execute certain things. In this case, the chipset knows this type of overclock is not allowed yet Asrock has bypassed this. Not in the terms agreed between Intel and Asrock.

2. Motherboard manufacturers aim at making profit and for them x% extra on a certain motherboard is not as relevant as their whole line-up. Therefore, Asrock will need to comply as their whole product portfolio is in danger. We know what happens to companies that get shafted by other companies.

3. Contrary to popular demand, new sockets are more cost effective for motherboard manufacturers as they do not have to spend the manpower on maintaining older generations. Asus, MSI, and Gigabyte favour INTEL's strategy and documents have leaked where they are actually begging INTEL to release new sockets.

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It's base clock lift not turbo clock lift. Without being a nobody manufacturer they can't go any offer BCLK etc. OC that would allow any CPU to go fly anywhere you want as Intel is meh and forbids these legally for any partner they have.
Technically the Intel locks are a joke in some ways but they lock it legally so no big mobo maker that has an business agreement with them will to release it for long.

New sockets suck, the only reason why mobo makers may beg for a new socket is so that people HAVE TO buy a new motherboard = profit instead of keeping their older one. It's not more effective maintenance wise, what a damn joke, with a new socket and mobo they then to spend even more on development and maintenance of the extra products. It's all about extra new sales. And they can get the sales without screwing up socket support, such as AMD is doing, new chipsets bring new features to mobos and support for newer CPUs while older mobos lack those features and may not support the latest CPUs.

One would have to find some small rogue China mobo maker to get these sort of "extra OC" features and CPU support, same as older Intel CPUs supported both DDR3 and DDR4 at the same time and some newer CPUs work fine on old quad core era mobos/chipsets. You just can't get it from big mobo makers due to legal vs Intel.
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I've always loved asrock, they are always giving it all for the end user.

I remember back in the day when I was running an AGP and PCI-E card on my 939 rig and one was AMD (Unlocked 16 pipes 850PE) and the other Nvidia 8800 series.

I had the only AMD score on the Cuda benchmarks page.

BTW, NvIDIA bought the chipset (ULI-1695 IIRC) so that the boards could not be made to run both anymore.

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