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post #101 of 115 (permalink) Old 05-22-2020, 09:39 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted by doom26464 View Post
Id have to see some data on that outside of some very outlying games(bf5 for example)

Most reviews I see even with any of intels skylake arch running at 5ghz its like 7-9% at best vrs zen 2
It gets a little tricky with review numbers because they aren't trying to reach a certain frame rate. Sometimes when you see those 125 fps vs 115fps it seems like there is very little difference between cpu's. What those charts don't show is the result of turning the graphics settings down to try and get 144fps.

Battlefield is one of those games that seems to work well for AMD cpu users, I can scale the frame rate up or down to where I want it by changing the graphics settings. I can do the campaign with all the pretty bells and whistles at 60fps and then adjust the settings and play multiplayer at 144fps. I wish it was like this in all games.

This may be irrelevant if games get a lot more demanding over the next year, but they need to get a lot more demanding because we will also have higher gpu performance at some point.

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post #102 of 115 (permalink) Old 05-22-2020, 11:06 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted by EastCoast View Post
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Right now, if I understand it correctly:
Ryzen 2000 series support AVX via software
Ryzen 3000 series support AVX2
Ryzen 4000 series will support AVX512
where did that info come from?

AMD has had AVX in their uarch since first gen Bulldozer. All zen versions so far released support up to AVX2 and can run AVX512 instructions by combining AVX2. It's not as fast as Intels native AVX512

It's rumored Zen3 (desktop Ryzen 4000) with support native AVX512
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I would hold off on statements such as marginal gaming differences between 3900X and 10900K. Its clear that a lot of the gaming benches are getting GPU bottlenecked so the maximum performance still remains to be seen. Over time the gap should widen and that time isn't really that far off.



Please post your results. I was looking to do the same but didn't pull the trigger. I'm already stable at 5.1 but the temps seem to high so I just keep it running at 5.0. no AVX offset.



What do you mean no upgrade path? I thought Gen 11 is supposed to work on Z490 as well. If that's the case then the upgrade path is the same as the 3900x, one additional generation.
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There is stock of 10900Ks at newegg.ca, just got one!


Edit: all gone, must have had only a few in stock. I just happen to check my bookmark, and I had time to snag one.



 
Congrats I guess, my pre-order for Valve Index and Half Life Alyx finally popped up, about $1080 after tax, or the equivalent of a 10900k, motherboard and ram. To me picking up VR is a much more worthwhile way to spend $1k but I guess if your form of entertainment is having the best CPU score on 3DMark, more power to you. 10900k presents marginal gains outside of 3DMark for anyone with a 14nm Intel CPU from Coffee Lake forward (I nearly want to say Kaby Lake and Sky Lake but the going from 4 to 6 cores presented a rather substantial increase in multi-threaded performance, whereas there are basically marginal gains going from 8700k to 10900k as evidenced by Gamers Nexus 10600k review in my previous post here).

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No it's not. It's only marginally better. Considering that it lacks in every other aspect by a much larger margin...ya...definitely not convincing. That said the 10700k isn't a good buy either. Maybe the i5 might be at 1080p, but neither the i7 nor the i9 are worth buying unless they drop the price massively (like $100) imo.

As far as faulting ppl buying the overpriced chips...ya I can see a reason to. They are supporting Intel putting out marginal products at bad prices. They sustain stagnation.
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Quote: Originally Posted by 7850K View Post
where did that info come from?

AMD has had AVX in their uarch since first gen Bulldozer. All zen versions so far released support up to AVX2 and can run AVX512 instructions by combining AVX2. It's not as fast as Intels native AVX512

It's rumored Zen3 (desktop Ryzen 4000) with support native AVX512
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AMD really needs to get onboard with AVX512. The software industry (from my observations) have adapted it. So lets hope that Ryzen 4000 actually offers it.

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Dude, you are contemplating delidding? Are you kidding? Delidding with liquid metal is easily worth 25C. Here's Prime95 small FFT whilst also mining crypto on Nicehash (1080 Ti @ 250W as seen in Hwinfo64) back when the delid was new with 300W less radiator surface area and single D5 only at 70% RPM (60-65C):
I should've been more clear. I already delidded my 8700K but my real interest is the third party IHS vs stock.

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As for GPU bound....by the time new GPUs will make any differences more apparent newer CPU's will most likely also be in the space...ie Zen 4 and we'll have to reevaluate.
I disagree, we already see plenty of GPU bound benches and the newer generation of GPUs is expected to be a big jump (or at most one generation later).
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Congrats I guess, my pre-order for Valve Index and Half Life Alyx finally popped up, about $1080 after tax, or the equivalent of a 10900k, motherboard and ram. To me picking up VR is a much more worthwhile way to spend $1k but I guess if your form of entertainment is having the best CPU score on 3DMark, more power to you. 10900k presents marginal gains outside of 3DMark for anyone with a 14nm Intel CPU from Coffee Lake forward (I nearly want to say Kaby Lake and Sky Lake but the going from 4 to 6 cores presented a rather substantial increase in multi-threaded performance, whereas there are basically marginal gains going from 8700k to 10900k as evidenced by Gamers Nexus 10600k review in my previous post here).
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I should've been more clear. I already delidded my 8700K but my real interest is the third party IHS vs stock.



I disagree, we already see plenty of GPU bound benches and the newer generation of GPUs is expected to be a big jump (or at most one generation later).
I guess you either didn't understand what you quoted or you don't think new CPUs will require us to reevaluate? Maybe you don't think new CPUs will be here by then?..Heck idk what you are saying bc it doesn't fit the context of what you quoted.
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Dude, you are contemplating delidding? Are you kidding? Delidding with liquid metal is easily worth 25C. Here's Prime95 small FFT whilst also mining crypto on Nicehash (1080 Ti @ 250W as seen in Hwinfo64) back when the delid was new with 300W less radiator surface area and single D5 only at 70% RPM (60-65C):

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Congrats I guess, my pre-order for Valve Index and Half Life Alyx finally popped up, about $1080 after tax, or the equivalent of a 10900k, motherboard and ram. To me picking up VR is a much more worthwhile way to spend $1k but I guess if your form of entertainment is having the best CPU score on 3DMark, more power to you. 10900k presents marginal gains outside of 3DMark for anyone with a 14nm Intel CPU from Coffee Lake forward (I nearly want to say Kaby Lake and Sky Lake but the going from 4 to 6 cores presented a rather substantial increase in multi-threaded performance, whereas there are basically marginal gains going from 8700k to 10900k as evidenced by Gamers Nexus 10600k review in my previous post here).
It is called use case. Some here (should be most cos it is OCN) are benchers first before anything else including gaming. No need to compare.

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I guess you either didn't understand what you quoted or you don't think new CPUs will require us to reevaluate? Maybe you don't think new CPUs will be here by then?..Heck idk what you are saying bc it doesn't fit the context of what you quoted.
New CPUs will obviously come out but doesn't mean users will upgrade from the current generation. New GPUs will be coming out soon where "only 5% margins" that we see in the current processors will be increasing because we are already benching several GPU bound titles.
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