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Your wasting your time bickering with wannabe he been marching to the beat of his own drum on here for awhile with zero interest in anything other then hearing himself speak. Any point that has solid ground against what he says he just ignores, and instead cherry picks the points where he can continue to amplify intel/nvidia strong points.

He either mega shill, or clinically insane or both. Im almost positive he is paid off by nvidia/intel via contract work to keep them in there respective positive lights on forums.


Also the dangers of this is him posting large amount of news stories in hardware section that only push his one sided agenda which is damaging to these forums.
marching to the beat of the marketing's drum.

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Yeah but outside the Titan should the rest of the GeForce product stack be affected? It's basically making one side happy at the expense of the gaming demographic for GeForce.
I do agree with that statement which was why I said gamers shouldn't buy Turing based cards when they launched unless they want to be early adopters. Then Navi's small die pricing was released which was also upsetting when Lisa Su was talking about how they can price it cheaper since it was an architecture built from the ground up for gamers. During some of their conferences they did a 180 and said 7nm isn't cheap.

$100 more to have a RTX 2070 Super with more future proofed feature doesn't sound bad at all when comparing the two.

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can anyone name any recent AAA titles with good AI (good = better than what we were used to 10 years ago) cuz I sure can't really think of any.

It's all still LOS patrol.
I'd rather have a crap AI then a good one that can't be beaten. Instead I'd prefer they keep looking into using their Tensor cores to increase IQ along with creating games.

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I'd rather the AI be a scaling challenge based on player input (in this instance, AI/IQ can be interchangeable, as what we're discussing are tactics used to increase the awareness and functionality of NPCs thru any means necessary)

(much like how the hide and seek game you linked works)

this is why options include difficulty sliders.

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I'd rather the AI be a scaling challenge based on player input (in this instance, AI/IQ can be interchangeable, as what we're discussing are tactics used to increase the awareness and functionality of NPCs thru any means necessary)

(much like how the hide and seek game you linked works)

this is why options include difficulty sliders.
That would have to be integrated on a per game basis by the developer. I can see AMD or Nvidia using a neural network for physics simulation. Developers currently have a ton of tools in their hands, they just have to be creative.

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And that's why I am asking you. The whole crux of your reasoning for current pricing schemes seems to be two-fold and I can't tell if it's just you playing devil's advocate based on your experience/usage of Nvidia products (I believe you had mentioned deploying GeForce products in a work setting) and thus having a non-gaming perspective, or if it's just straight up shilling. I am not inclined to think you are shilling, I know very well you have had AMD cards too, so I guess I am just trying to understand your perspective, because it doesn't make sense to me why someone would be arguing against consumers wanting more and paying less. That's obviously always at conflict with a business want to provide less and charge more. Totally get that, there is a balance. In the case of graphics cards (and completely happy to throw AMD in there too as $699 launch price for a Radeon VII was ridiculous) I just feel that balance is not there right now as a gaming demographic for what is primarily a gaming product line.

Regarding technology, technology always advances, there is always new tech. That doesn't mean we see an exponentially rising pricing treadmill every generation since the Radeon and the GeForce 256. I mean we'd have like $50,000 cards by now if we did.

So going back to my second sentence on your two reasons I can see:

One, is that it's ok because it provides that workstation/developer whatever demographic cheaper cards. My contention is that while that may be so, it has come at the expense of the rest of the gaming demographic and target for the bulk of what the GeForce product line is supposed to be. I don't see why they can't make both demographics happy here.

Two, is that R&D and the new technologies being developed are more expensive and thus command a higher price. As I said before, totally willing to buy into this a bit, but I am also not convinced that if AMD was competitive at the high end that we'd be seeing pricing at what it is right now, so I don't buy that as telling the entire pricing strategy story. I suppose in that sense, we'll never know one way or the other.
The last point, I doubt it. When you're posting YoY higher earnings in correlation with higher prices for goods and services, I don't know about that.

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