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I think i am starting to understand the disconnect here. JPR articles posted on OCN over the years that i recall were always related to PC hardware(desktop intel,AMD,Nvidia). Given OCN is mainly about PC hardware enthusiasts this makes sense to me(i assumed this by default). I feel like there is some intense reaching out to some grey areas to support that "other" gpu makers should be included. This seems to be triggered by the "multiple platforms" portion. I will admit i don't keep up at all with mobile hardware market, and also i personally do consider things like surface/laptop to be mobile.

It makes sense to me the JPR article only includes Intel,AMD,Nvidia in the enthusiasts brain. I don't consider something like apple or Qualcomm to be in the same category. It also states in the article "The one thing that differentiates AMD from its competitors".

We know intel was in the discrete market and will return again, we also know that Nvidia did have gpu's in consoles like the original xbox.

So ultimately i still disagree. Sorry

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Despite the enormous market share that they have they still can't dictate anything. nVidia and Intel still dictate the market thanks to clever marketing and support. Sadly Cuda owns the professional market and Intel have people fooled into believing they are the best regardless of having far worse (price/)performance.

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I think i am starting to understand the disconnect here. JPR articles posted on OCN over the years that i recall were always related to PC hardware(desktop intel,AMD,Nvidia). Given OCN is mainly about PC hardware enthusiasts this makes sense to me(i assumed this by default). I feel like there is some intense reaching out to some grey areas to support that "other" gpu makers should be included. This seems to be triggered by the "multiple platforms" portion. I will admit i don't keep up at all with mobile hardware market, and also i personally do consider things like surface/laptop to be mobile.

It makes sense to me the JPR article only includes Intel,AMD,Nvidia in the enthusiasts brain. I don't consider something like apple or Qualcomm to be in the same category. It also states in the article "The one thing that differentiates AMD from its competitors".

We know intel was in the discrete market and will return again, we also know that Nvidia did have gpu's in consoles like the original xbox.

So ultimately i still disagree. Sorry
I think your viewpoint is common, but the lines between the product segments are getting more fuzzy every year in regards to capability and hardware. I consider laptops to be mobile devices, just like a smart phone or a tablet, but I consider all three of them to be PC's. I have two desktops in my office with the same hardware that is in laptops (hardcover book sized computers), the only difference is that they don't run off of a battery. My parents just bought a windows laptop that has one of those snapdraggon processors and an LTE connection, and you can also buy laptops with desktop grade hardware inside.

The segmentation works well enough when we are talking about the actual products, but it doesn't really work for the hardware inside those products anymore. Eventually we will catch up and stop looking at this stuff through decades old glasses.

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Also, the article didn't include the Nintendo Switch in the console segment, it's sold more than the Xbone.

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good point.

so basically, the data was either intentionally, or ignorantly manipulated in an attempt to make a statement.

yep, sounds like standard journalism... n if we think back, who was in the forefront of the Get Woke media movement?

Gaming/Sports journalism. remember Gamergate?

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This article looks like AMD is flexing it's Ryzen money.

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Quote: Originally Posted by bigjdubb View Post
I think your viewpoint is common, but the lines between the product segments are getting more fuzzy every year in regards to capability and hardware. I consider laptops to be mobile devices, just like a smart phone or a tablet, but I consider all three of them to be PC's. I have two desktops in my office with the same hardware that is in laptops (hardcover book sized computers), the only difference is that they don't run off of a battery. My parents just bought a windows laptop that has one of those snapdraggon processors and an LTE connection, and you can also buy laptops with desktop grade hardware inside.

The segmentation works well enough when we are talking about the actual products, but it doesn't really work for the hardware inside those products anymore. Eventually we will catch up and stop looking at this stuff through decades old glasses.
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Quote: Originally Posted by Diffident View Post
Also, the article didn't include the Nintendo Switch in the console segment, it's sold more than the Xbone.
still only looking at almost 50 mil total as of 1-2-2020 ---> https://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkai...the-super-nes/





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I think your viewpoint is common, but the lines between the product segments are getting more fuzzy every year in regards to capability and hardware. I consider laptops to be mobile devices, just like a smart phone or a tablet, but I consider all three of them to be PC's. I have two desktops in my office with the same hardware that is in laptops (hardcover book sized computers), the only difference is that they don't run off of a battery. My parents just bought a windows laptop that has one of those snapdraggon processors and an LTE connection, and you can also buy laptops with desktop grade hardware inside.

The segmentation works well enough when we are talking about the actual products, but it doesn't really work for the hardware inside those products anymore. Eventually we will catch up and stop looking at this stuff through decades old glasses.
There have always been grey areas or examples of this it's not really new is it? Intel,AMD,Nvidia make dedicated/traditional gpus, these mobile/laptop/whatcha-call-it are IP cores right? they don't actually makes the chips/dies, they just sell the tech to partners?

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I fail to see the logic of the complaints here. AMD makes and sells GPU's, like Intel and Nvidia do. Apple, Qualcomm don't sell gpu's so they aren't counted.

While i see how pointless the article could be if its not your cup of tea, its not for idiots who just read a title. The article cites sources..

https://www.jonpeddie.com/news/amd-s...-a-lot-of-gpus
If you include a GPU inside a CPU (like AMD did with their APUs and console chips), that includes the CPU+GPU segment, and those are in phones as well, which includes qualcomm, apple and samsung chips.
How can you include APUs in consoles but not the SoC in phones? Those are CPUs and GPUs as well. Even if they are smaller.
If AMD tomorrow stop selling dGPU, would they still not sell GPUs? They still, because those GPUs AMD are counting, are inside their APUs and custom chips.

So you can't eat the cake and leave it whole.
If they include the SoC market, that includes the phone makers. If they are not including SoC markets, they shouldn't include APUs and consoles. Just like they also include intel's mobile chips, there are also tablets with ARM chips which act the same.

This would be like talking about selling of CPUs and APUs, but not including nvidia's tegra chips, which are also CPUs, or IBM's power series or qualcomm CPUs etc.


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