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post #11 of 45 (permalink) Old 06-11-2020, 09:27 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted by ILoveHighDPI View Post
Way too expensive for what it is, especially given the SATA limitations.
If you can copy a few hundred Gigs per-minute then such a large SSD starts to make sense, but even if this is 6x better than an 8TB HDD it's still a far cry from what it really should be.
Doubly so when 1TB TLC drives are so cheap (or at least they were a few months ago and probably will be again next year).
For people who need large amounts of data storage, having fewer drives can be huge. Ever since Haswell, MOBOs these days have a decreasing number of SATA ports. Using that many multiple drives would mean having to add HBA cards, more cables, and extra space for the drives. It also makes data organization and space allocation more difficult. Adding insult to injury, even though many modern MOBOs have more and faster PCIe lanes, the number of PCIe slots are also decreasing, even on enterprise (X series) MOBOs.

People with laptops are generally restricted to up to two 2.5" drives and up to two M.2 drives (which may or may not be all NVMe), usually fewer. Larger drives, even SATA, would be huge for them.

Quote: Originally Posted by ThrashZone View Post
That link is for the 860 series. The new 8TB drive will be in a new 870 series, assuming the pandemic doesn't cause Samsung to drop the project (it has happened before; remember the 4TB 850 Pro that was promised, then dropped because of the silicon shortage at the time?). Sabrent already has a 4TB TLC NVMe drive and is supposed to be coming out with an 8TB NVMe soon but that will be a QLC.

Quote: Originally Posted by ZealotKi11er View Post
1TB SLC = 2TB MLC = 3TB TLC = 4TB QLC

Let that sink in.
Sink in? More like it's already sunk. What the heck does that even mean?


Even QLC drives, such as the QVOs, will still be faster than the the same sized HDDs, even if the HDDs are not SMR. The downside to QLC drives, compared to TLC and MLC drives (other than reduced speed), is shorter warranties and reduced write life. To me, a shorter warranty indicates a reduced level of confidence in the reliability of a product compared to similar products by the same manufacturer.

I would have preferred that Samsung had worked on developing 8TB Pros and/or EVOs instead of a QVO. The QLC drives, like the QVO, just aren't ready for serious use yet. I'm already fixed for storage space and won't be buying anymore for quite a while except for possible replacements but if something was to happen to the drives I have now, like theft or a house fire, I would prefer to buy 8TB (or larger) replacements for the 4TB herd I have now (just not the QVOs unless it's a few years from now and QLC has matured).

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Quote: Originally Posted by ILoveHighDPI View Post
Way too expensive for what it is, especially given the SATA limitations.
If you can copy a few hundred Gigs per-minute then such a large SSD starts to make sense, but even if this is 6x better than an 8TB HDD it's still a far cry from what it really should be.
Doubly so when 1TB TLC drives are so cheap (or at least they were a few months ago and probably will be again next year).
It has to be limited to slow speeds, otherwise you fill up the SLC cache in no time and then you get 30MB/s write speeds from the QLC. Because it is sata, you are less likely to find out how slow this drive really is.

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I think it would make a good game drive. As long as the reads are high.

Quote: Originally Posted by Lady Fitzgerald View Post
Sabrent already has a 4TB TLC NVMe drive and is supposed to be coming out with an 8TB NVMe soon but that will be a QLC.
The Sabrent Rocket Q 8TB is already out. But it is $1499

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Sink in? More like it's already sunk. What the heck does that even mean?
i think hes implying this could've been a 4TB MLC or 6TB TLC for the same price.

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The Sabrent Rocket Q 8TB is already out. But it is $1499
What is the difference between the Rocket and Rocket Q? I have 2x of the 4TB Rocket NVMe's in RAID-0 - they were $850 each. In real world performance, will the 8TB Rocket Q perform similarly to the 'regular' Rocket series?
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What is the difference between the Rocket and Rocket Q? I have 2x of the 4TB Rocket NVMe's in RAID-0 - they were $850 each. In real world performance, will the 8TB Rocket Q perform similarly to the 'regular' Rocket series?
No, The 8TB Rocket Q is also QLC, instead of TLC on the 4TB Rocket. TLC is faster and higher endurance than QLC. That the 8TB is 2x the price of the 4TB almost seems like a scam.

I am still coming to terms with MLC being considered the good stuff (3D Xpoint killed SLC but no one used it even before that). I still don't actually own any TLC but I might be willing for my next drive. QLC is pushing this tech too far in the direction of lower performance, lower endurance, for a lower price. I want faster NAND, not slower.

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The problem isn't so much getting high capacity SSD but getting one at an acceptable price. While SSD can be much faster the 4x cost over HDD is not making it a viable option for storage purposes. SSDs are still more of a cache to keep the most used data on, be it OS or your frequent programs/games/...

As much as I dislike HDDs with a passion I dislike the cost of SSDs even more.

Especially now SSDs have jumped up again in prices at least for NVMe and a drive that cost 120 USD/EUR now cost 180 USD/EUR. That's +50% cost for no reason other than stock, availability, demand from who knows... Apple and other SIs? ... Someone sneezes in a factory in November and suddenly the prices of SSDs skyrocket for next year. There is a lot of price fixing going on same as with RAM.

And screw QLC nand flash until they get it to perform even remotely like an SSD should. TLC is slow enough already.
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What is the difference between the Rocket and Rocket Q? I have 2x of the 4TB Rocket NVMe's in RAID-0 - they were $850 each. In real world performance, will the 8TB Rocket Q perform similarly to the 'regular' Rocket series?
The Rocket Q uses QLC the Rocket uses TLC. Most QLC ssds have a slow write speed when transferring large files. So it depends on what you are using it for. But the Rocket should be noticeably faster then the rocket Q. Especially when writing to it. For a game drive QLC should be fine as long as it maintains a good read speed.

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The problem isn't so much getting high capacity SSD but getting one at an acceptable price. While SSD can be much faster the 4x cost over HDD is not making it a viable option for storage purposes. SSDs are still more of a cache to keep the most used data on, be it OS or your frequent programs/games/...

As much as I dislike HDDs with a passion I dislike the cost of SSDs even more.

Especially now SSDs have jumped up again in prices at least for NVMe and a drive that cost 120 USD/EUR now cost 180 USD/EUR. That's +50% cost for no reason other than stock, availability, demand from who knows... Apple and other SIs? ... Someone sneezes in a factory in November and suddenly the prices of SSDs skyrocket for next year. There is a lot of price fixing going on same as with RAM.

And screw QLC nand flash until they get it to perform even remotely like an SSD should. TLC is slow enough already.
QLC is how the industry is trying to lower prices. I have several spinning rust drives for anything giant. I would prefer NAND to get cheaper too but spinning rust also gets cheaper, if "4x the cost over HDD" is a barrier simply moving to QLC, or even PLC, is only keeping pace. The downsides of QLC are too high to be worth the price difference over TLC. That Intel is spending R&D budget on PLC is annoying, maybe research better TLC instead?

These random price spikes are due to a "free market" with only a few suppliers, you always get issues like this with too few actors and huge barriers to entry (both capital and IP). I am not sure how to deal with these issues, IP reform is hard and regulating prices isn't going to work long term.

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