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post #81 of 96 (permalink) Old 06-30-2020, 05:17 AM
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Like I said before.

Apple's SoC in the non PRO mac products is clearly a good move. These are the machines Apple sells the most of. Apple's sales of 16" Macbook Pros, iMac Pros, and Mac Pros are actually pretty small overall.


Creating a 16-32+ Core SoC with a large amount of IO (something current apple silicon does not have) is going to be expensive. Especially for a few products that apple doesn't sell in high quantities. What else is apple going to do with a 65watt+ SoC? They could try to get back into the server game, but that never really worked out for them. Not only that, but they don't seem to have any plans to get into the cloud market.

But who knows, maybe a push to build a large SoC will push them into the Cloud market with server hardware build on their own silicon.
Again, 18M sales in imac, macbook (including pro). Those are not small numbers.
imac pro and mac pros are definitly not selling in hundreds of thousands, and I don't expect them to release a ARM version unless they have something special up their sleeve.
But the macbook pros, if they can make a big enough chip (remember, 5nm, not intel's 14/10nm with barely improvement between refresh), I see them moving on to ARM based.
Their bionic chips are already starting to match intel's mid range CPUs. So a better and improved one could give the same performance as the mobile chips from intel that apple put in the macbook pros.
On the small performance numbers available, the A12Z which is just the A12X with another GPU core, is just 15% slower than the macbook pro 16 using the i7-9750h. So moving to 5nm, at lower watt and higher frequency and better cooling than a phone or notebook and more cores, I expect the A14 version that they might put in the macbook pro (or next version), could match intel for apple's use.


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That is pretty great through an emulation layer + this is nothing compared to their final silicon its just for library translation in the meantime.

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If they wanted users to switch as often as you say than why not kill OS support like Android phones which only get two years?
Two years of Google provided OS support, while OEM provided OS support varies. My old Nexus 5 is still getting Android Open Source Project releases, 7 years later. And AOSP is the stock OS for a lot of other phones so it's not exactly some guy in a garage tinkering on a laptop. Also my LG G4 got something like four years of OS support straight from LG due to a lawsuit, but that's a tad bit different.

But that doesn't really matter as the Android OS only exists to collect user information anyway. It's a big fishing net and we're the fish haha.

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Two years of Google provided OS support, while OEM provided OS support varies. My old Nexus 5 is still getting Android Open Source Project releases, 7 years later. And AOSP is the stock OS for a lot of other phones so it's not exactly some guy in a garage tinkering on a laptop. Also my LG G4 got something like four years of OS support straight from LG due to a lawsuit, but that's a tad bit different.

But that doesn't really matter as the Android OS only exists to collect user information anyway. It's a big fishing net and we're the fish haha.
Don't let those exceptions speak for the whole Android space.

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seems more likely they'd replace a certain segment with arm.

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I know Apple has never been known for Gaming, but could this be the start of the transition of mainstream PC's to go ARM?

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Quote: Originally Posted by speed_demon View Post
Two years of Google provided OS support, while OEM provided OS support varies. My old Nexus 5 is still getting Android Open Source Project releases, 7 years later. And AOSP is the stock OS for a lot of other phones so it's not exactly some guy in a garage tinkering on a laptop. Also my LG G4 got something like four years of OS support straight from LG due to a lawsuit, but that's a tad bit different.

But that doesn't really matter as the Android OS only exists to collect user information anyway. It's a big fishing net and we're the fish haha.
Google is aware of the issue with software updates. Thankfully current Google phones/Android One devices support Project treble.

https://9to5google.com/2020/04/07/go...mless-updates/

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I know Apple has never been known for Gaming, but could this be the start of the transition of mainstream PC's to go ARM?
Impossible, there is no way ARM can compete with low end GPU's, let alone high end ones.

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Impossible, there is no way ARM can compete with low end GPU's, let alone high end ones.
They were able to run the Metal ported version of Shadow of the Tomb Raider on the A12Z developer box using Rosetta and it looked pretty decent. Definitely won't compete on performance with lower end GPUs but beats a few iGPUs. As long as it's a decent experience people won't complain.

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