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post #71 of 76 (permalink) Old 07-08-2020, 08:19 PM
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The MC bundle discount is $50 on these rather than the $20 with the reg. Not that it makes them worth it, but I found it interesting
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The MC bundle discount is $50 on these rather than the $20 with the reg. Not that it makes them worth it, but I found it interesting
Too bad the R5 does not come with Valhalla,

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First time I'm a little disappointed with AMD since 2017. This CPU wasn't necessary. *SNIP*
Well I wouldn't be, this is a great move by AMD imo. This isn't about XT cpus. They get marketing hype, new reviews to take any hype away from the Intel 10 series reviews, and all the reviewers saying buy non-XT cpus, i.e. BUY AMD.

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I don't think they're a bad buy necessarily, if you like to tweak your computer to get the last 1% of performance the XTs seem like the CPU for you. Performance/dollar value, yeah stay away from the XTs...

I don't believe AMD for a second on "refined process" the way they are selling it, or at least, the way people are interpreting it. I think AMD updated the oxide layer thickness to survive extra voltage for longer and used the strong CCD bin equivalent from a 3900x (CCD 1) for 3600XTs, here's why:

My mid-November manufactured 3900x (a fairly good 3900x sample) vs mid-April manufactured 3600xt (a very average sample from what I can tell).

3600xt max stable single core boosting - 4727
3900x max stable single core boosting - 4747

The boost algorithm is holding it at max speed more consistently, so for a given speed reported in software, the XT scores slightly higher than the X (5 points in R20, 1 point in R15), but the 3900x hits higher speeds ultimately and they score the same single core.

3900x static OC - 4400 @ 1.3 GET (CCD 2 limited)
3600xt static OC - 4520 @ 1.32 GET

Both hit a voltage wall at 4550 requiring north of 1.42v. They will both reach 4600, but it takes far too much voltage to stabilize safely.

Sure seems like they took a single (stronger) CCD from a 3900x slapped into a 3600xt and added a tweaked boost algorithm.

The updated boosting algorithm used on the XTs boosts like using PBO does on a 3900x.

3900x unlimited PBO limits - 4350mhz @ 1.337 GET during R20
3600xt stock - 4325mhz @ 1.37 GET during R20

3900x FIT limit in P95 - 1.27
3600XT FIT limit in P95 - 1.325

Certainly seems more like they are throwing voltage at the problem to get it to boost higher during all core work, and using a slightly better bin to ensure the single core boost is stable higher up (the 3600xt does 4600 single core at all default settings). This is also possibly why the 3800xt and 3900xt don't come with a cooler, the extra voltage may (probably imho) overwhelm the Wraith and cause performance fall off.

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Have you pushed the IF yet ??

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1904ish is the limit on my 3600xt, 1907 on 3900X.

Just like my 3900x, for 1900IF, 100 bclk is not stable with the 19.00 IF strap, but 100.2 and 19 is stable, without adjusting any voltages. I blame Spread Spectrum on the C7H, it's enabled at 100 bclk, and can't be turned off.

I posit this is why many people can't get 1900 stable, SS is terrible and Asus should feel terrible for not allowing it to be switched off.

Between the two, 1904/3808 at the same RAM settings the 3900x gives a little better read speeds and about 1.5ns lower latency.

My 3900x is not the greatest to compare this 3600xt with, great chip vs average.

I found 103.6 to be a key number for bclk and aligning boosting behavior with IF clock. 101.8 or 102 next best choice imo if it won't stabilize at 103.6.

46.25x 103.6 = 4800mhz single boost
45.25x 103.6 = 4688mhz all core peak boost
18.33x 103.6 = 1899 IF

The XT is drastically more aggressive with all-core voltages and surprisingly more conservative with single core voltage.

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