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[AnandTech] Intel Thunderbolt 4 Update: Controllers and Tiger Lake in 2020

Source: https://www.anandtech.com/show/15902...r-lake-in-2020

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Thunderbolt 4 is going to be a superset of TB3 and USB4, meaning that any Thunderbolt 4 Type-C host will be able to accept TB4, TB3, USB4, and USB 3/2/1 connections. Thunderbolt 4 will offer speeds up to 40 Gb/s, and there are a number of requirements for Thunderbolt 4 hosts and devices in order to be certified.

The first devices to come to market with TB4 support will be Intel’s Tiger Lake platform, for use in laptops, which will have TB4 baked right into the silicon. TB4 will be one of the base requirements for Intel’s Project Athena certification program, and Intel is set to release a new TB4 2m cable for most use cases. Intel is also working on optical 5-50 meter cables, which will also now support the TB4 multi-port accessory architecture, enabled by 4-port TB4 hubs.
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Thunderbolt 3 already does 40gb and uses a type-C interface. So what does this do that warrants a name change?

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Quote: Originally Posted by EniGma1987 View Post
Thunderbolt 3 already does 40gb and uses a type-C interface. So what does this do that warrants a name change?
I agree, maybe more feature set? So by baking into the silicon, is that mean AMD cannot license to get TB4 anymore on their boards?


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Thunderbolt 3 already does 40gb and uses a type-C interface. So what does this do that warrants a name change?
Basically nothing good once you weigh the pros and cons.
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Quote: Originally Posted by djriful View Post
I agree, maybe more feature set? So by baking into the silicon, is that mean AMD cannot license to get TB4 anymore on their boards?
I mean there's not going to be any reason they would want to anyways with USB4 coming I would think.

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Thunderbolt 3 already does 40gb and uses a type-C interface. So what does this do that warrants a name change?
Thunderbolt is using PCIE 4x 3.0 and DP data-streaming in order to achieve 40gb/s.
Meaning it can give 32gb/s on PCIE or 20gb/s on DP 1.2, or a combination of part of each. But not every device support the mixture, so a pure PCIE connecting hardware (like a eGPU) will be basically limited to 32gb/s.
Thunderbolt 4 will use PCIE 4.0, which means you can get pure PCIE hardware running at 40gb/s without needing to run specialized firmware or intel specific thunderbolt chips to get it to work.
It will also support USB 4 running at 40gb/s data, higher watt and amps, better data security etc.

So it is not just a name change. There are good reason to switch for it over TB3 even if they have the same data rate on paper.
I also hope it will support DP 2.0, but that is a bit of a long shot, as intel and apple wants to make TB the standard over DP.


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intel and apple wants to make TB the standard over DP.
This will never happen as both companies keep adding their own mandatory restrictions to their iterations.
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Quote: Originally Posted by maltamonk View Post
This will never happen as both companies keep adding their own mandatory restrictions to their iterations.
What mandatory restrictions?

TB has been released by intel as free license (like DP) and more hardware manufacturers are moving to TB.
While for display it is going to take time (if possible) but for data stream hardware (like external HDDs, docks, etc) they want manufacturers to drop the DP/USB-C standards and move to TB/USB-C standards instead.

The only "restrictions" are confusion. What cable support what standard, whether the port is full TB3 or not or just USB-C etc.


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Quote: Originally Posted by Defoler View Post
What mandatory restrictions?

TB has been released by intel as free license (like DP) and more hardware manufacturers are moving to TB.
While for display it is going to take time (if possible) but for data stream hardware (like external HDDs, docks, etc) they want manufacturers to drop the DP/USB-C standards and move to TB/USB-C standards instead.

The only "restrictions" are confusion. What cable support what standard, whether the port is full TB3 or not or just USB-C etc.
Did you not read the article? There was a pretty big section on it. Intel VT-d required for now.
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