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post #51 of 61 (permalink) Old 07-25-2020, 03:02 PM
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Intel is not too smart lately, AMD is straight up slapping them in the face with ryzen and intels thought processes is "lets tick of even more people so they switch to AMD"

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post #52 of 61 (permalink) Old 07-28-2020, 09:19 PM
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So unless you buy a Z490 Motherboard you get all what you paid for from a k/kf processor and high frequency rams..

did they already saw that the K series won't even sell this way?? LMAO Intel..

this is much better if they would say:

"Consumers out there, if you can't buy a Z490 Premium board then don't buy K/KF models please, it will hurt your pride..."

and it seems just using the XMP profile on the RAM is already against Intel's overclocking policy..lmao..for the past few years since Skylake, the only reason for people to stay Intel is the Memory Overclock or for some just upgrading to newer RAM would be an enough upgrade since XMP profiles can boost the overall experience of the system, then Intel just locks those out..lmao..
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Quote: Originally Posted by philhalo66 View Post
Intel is not too smart lately, AMD is straight up slapping them in the face with ryzen and intels thought processes is "lets tick of even more people so they switch to AMD"
I would say it's more than a slap But I will try and keep it OCN rules friendly.

It's more like AMD put Intel into a corner, Intel started running around frantically for so long that they made a pit for themselves that they now can't even climb out of so their management and key people are like screw this and leave the pit in rockets and land with a nice parachute to boot.

For quite some time I don't see a reason for almost anyone but rich FPS hunters to go buy Intel CPUs and platforms for home use. You either shell out insane money for the best or you get screwed over from every side.

"The sales of K series and Zx90 boards are low, what do we do?" "Lets gimp all other so they have to pay more for K series and Zx90 boards!"



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On the other hand Intel is correct that running higher RAM clocks is overclocking, not just of the RAM but also of the CPU. The memory controller is integrated in the CPU.
Is it a good time for Intel to be hammering down on the little features they have left and enforcing their strict no OC mentality and rules? Certainly not.
Why are they doing this? Who knows, maybe their next generation of CPUs doesn't have a good IMC and they want to "soften" the blow in advance.

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post #54 of 61 (permalink) Old 07-30-2020, 07:51 AM
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I feel like if Intel struggled that much with 3200mhz ram I would have encountered a lot more issues over the last few years.
I'd rather base it off of specifications from a company that tested their IMC. Ice Lake supports both DDR4-3200, LPDDR4-3733.

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why are people thinking this segmentation is new? go back and check chipsets since sandy bridge. there have been a few outliers along the way but if you want to run ram higher than what ijntel spec'd on the IMC requires a Z chipset.
This.
Wiki pages of Intel socket where there is about Chipset are very explicit about that; at least for LGA1155, 1150 and 1151. Okay, 1151 does say some limited support for RAM OC for those boards but who is happy with limited lol?

And talking of outliers I think we may have some for this LGA1200 one as well, but who knows. There was a time in 2013-14 when Asus provided BIOS to unlock multiplier for all K-series 1st generation Haswell CPUs for all 1150 motherboards regardless of the chipset.

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This.
Wiki pages of Intel socket where there is about Chipset are very explicit about that; at least for LGA1155, 1150 and 1151. Okay, 1151 does say some limited support for RAM OC for those boards but who is happy with limited lol?

And talking of outliers I think we may have some for this LGA1200 one as well, but who knows. There was a time in 2013-14 when Asus provided BIOS to unlock multiplier for all K-series 1st generation Haswell CPUs for all 1150 motherboards regardless of the chipset.
Again, because it is new. While this is certainly not the first time Intel has segmented products, it is clearly the first time they have limited memory speeds at a firmware level, at least anytime in the last decade. Pretending this isn't new is just ignoring reality.

While it's true that you have typically needed a high end motherboard to hit higher ram speeds, never before was the CPU model an issue in doing that.

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Again, because it is new. While this is certainly not the first time Intel has segmented products, it is clearly the first time they have limited memory speeds at a firmware level, at least anytime in the last decade. Pretending this isn't new is just ignoring reality.

While it's true that you have typically needed a high end motherboard to hit higher ram speeds, never before was the CPU model an issue in doing that.
i promised i haven't had any bourbon, yet . but look as far back as sandy/ivy, unless you bought a Z67/68/77/75 motherboard (where you OC the cpu), you were limited to the 1330(sandy) 1600(ivy) IMC specs from intel. no ram "OCing" (anything above those speeds) love on the H/B/Q series motherboards

how is this any different? you say the firmware but, thats what it looks like what they did in the past.

if that wasn't firmware, then what was it?

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Quote: Originally Posted by looniam View Post
i promised i haven't had any bourbon, yet . but look as far back as sandy/ivy, unless you bought a Z67/68/77/75 motherboard (where you OC the cpu), you were limited to the 1330(sandy) 1600(ivy) IMC specs from intel. no ram "OCing" (anything above those speeds) love on the H/B/Q series motherboards

how is this any different? you say the firmware but, thats what it looks like what they did in the past.

if that wasn't firmware, then what was it?
Because you also need a K series now. In the past you could pair any Intel CPU with fast memory of the motherboard supported it. Now you can only do it with K series CPUs.

Also not totally sure there are no non z boards that allow for faster memory on Intel.

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Because you also need a K series now. In the past you could pair any Intel CPU with fast memory of the motherboard supported it. Now you can only do it with K series CPUs.

Also not totally sure there are no non z boards that allow for faster memory on Intel.
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and yeah there have been outliers along the way but i am very sure sandy/ivy/haswell were all "locked down."

ok now i can drink.

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ok now i can drink.
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