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[ComputerBase] Intel B460/H470 chipsets: RAM-OC is prohibited, CPU-OC is tolerated

The article is in German, could not find one in English so forgive the translation.

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Intel's policy also leaves a frenzy at the Comet Lake launch: RAM is strictly limited on cheap motherboards
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Asus has been a little more detailed about the possibilities of the ComputerBase editorial team in recent days as part of the Intel Core i5-10400F test. Intel's approach has remained the same in principle: K-CPUs can be overclocked on Z490, the CPU without "K" cannot be overclocked, all other CPUs still allow RAM OC on Z490. This option is no longer available on all other chipsets of the 400 series. Any faster module than DDR4-2666 or DDR4-2933 for Core i7 and Core i9 is thus artificially slowed down there, given the low storage prices a missed opportunity.
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The regular 65-watt core i5, core i7 and core i9 models operate at up to 210 watts PL1 at 4.4 to 4.5 GHz, which means clock increases up to 1.6 GHz compared to the base. According to Asus, this allows up to 25 percent performance gain, as ASRock says in a new teaser of up to 29 percent. But the RAM remains at DDR4-2666/2933 – a quite bizarre combination. Thus, Intel successfully continues the artificial castration of memory in this generation, forcing motherboard manufacturers to follow.
This article makes it seem like intel has been doing this for a while, but this is the first I've heard of it since this is definitely not the case with any chipsets before the 400 series in any recent times. Might be the translation.

Source: https://www.computerbase.de/2020-05/...m-power-limit/

I didn't want to use a youtube video as the source but Linus actually made a video about this recently that explains it pretty well.

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Artificially segmenting products is a pretty well known and reasonably successful tactic for boosting profits. Often times you end up seeing people buy a lower tier mobo at first, disliking it, and then buying an unlocked one; in that case that person generated more profit for companies than if they had only bought one item.

Good for companies but not so great for consumers. In the end though you still generally get what you pay for.

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Quote: Originally Posted by speed_demon View Post
Artificially segmenting products is a pretty well known and reasonably successful tactic for boosting profits. Often times you end up seeing people buy a lower tier mobo at first, disliking it, and then buying an unlocked one; in that case that person generated more profit for companies than if they had only bought one item.

Good for companies but not so great for consumers. In the end though you still generally get what you pay for.
Sure in the whole market over all but this is intel removing a feature that has been available for a long time. Actually removing isn't the right word, more like blocking. It's an indefensible and pretty anti consumer thing to do. Don't just jump on Intel's pipe and defend them, think first. You only have to go back one generation of CPUs to see this completely arbitrary.

As Linus explains, this doesn't seem like a for profit moved but rather a move to hide the fact that current K CPUs have very little headroom for overclocking and faster ram could embarrassingly be a bigger deal than CPU overclocking for Intel at this point.

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Quote: Originally Posted by speed_demon View Post
Artificially segmenting products is a pretty well known and reasonably successful tactic for boosting profits. Often times you end up seeing people buy a lower tier mobo at first, disliking it, and then buying an unlocked one; in that case that person generated more profit for companies than if they had only bought one item.

Good for companies but not so great for consumers. In the end though you still generally get what you pay for.

Thats pretty much it

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Well I've always disliked Linus for being such a fanboi but he did a good job on that vid.

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Intel logic: no more headroom with our hardware, let lock out the features from other products then to compensate...

Surprised there is not much response to this here on OCN. Seems like the kind of thing more people should be bothered by.

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Lol @ somebody thinking my post was defending Intel. If my writing is that easily misunderstood perhaps it's time I hung up my keyboard.

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if people on OCN were the type to buy a locked chipset and get upset when they find out they can't OC, sure.

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Lol @ somebody thinking my post was defending Intel. If my writing is that easily misunderstood perhaps it's time I hung up my keyboard.

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Seems like a defense when the first thing you say is artificial segmentation is normal. Even if that's true, it's not normal to take away features that have been standard for years to make a segment.

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