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Quote: Originally Posted by Asmodian View Post
Wow. Intel really did not need this. Are they trying to take density too far or is it really entirely due to a breakdown of management and culture? We have seen hints of management culture issues at Intel for a while now but at this point their 7nm better be great once they get it working or Intel is going to be in (more) trouble.

Maximizing short term profits is the enemy of long term quality. Once your management is thinking at most one year ahead basic development suffers. It is hard to fix too, once you have middle management thinking short term for a while getting the culture to think long term again takes a lot of effort and organizational shakeup.

we should've seen this coming with the departure of Jim Keller.


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Intel's 7nm is the Star Citizen of CPU's.

not very apt tbh.


you can give CIG money for Star Citizen, and can "play" a few parts of Star Citizen.



you can't give intel money for 7nm, and no one's playing playing 7nm, even in part.

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we should've seen this coming with the departure of Jim Keller.
One could have read into that in either way given his history.

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Quote: Originally Posted by Asmodian View Post
Wow. Intel really did not need this. Are they trying to take density too far or is it really entirely due to a breakdown of management and culture? We have seen hints of management culture issues at Intel for a while now but at this point their 7nm better be great once they get it working or Intel is going to be in (more) trouble.

Maximizing short term profits is the enemy of long term quality. Once your management is thinking at most one year ahead basic development suffers. It is hard to fix too, once you have middle management thinking short term for a while getting the culture to think long term again takes a lot of effort and organizational shakeup.
Honestly, that is not surprising given how much trouble EUV has given TSMC and Samsung. Intel's 7nm is their first try at EUV so it doesn't like they avoided initial trouble either. Intel said their first chips based on 7nm will be on late 2022/early 2023. They must hit that target or they will be in some deep trouble.
Alternatively, they can seek TSMC/Samsung for 2022-23 CPUs while fixing their own fab problems.

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Intel couldn't execute a die shrink? Shocking, really.

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Looks like their stock took a hit with the news.
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Looks like their stock took a hit with the news.
Doubt it's due to this considering they announced the highest data center earnings since 2018. If you look the entire market is down.

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Quote: Originally Posted by Sir Beregond View Post
Yikes. Who would have thought Intel would be here several years ago. It seems competition and rampant management and culture issues within Intel are catching up to them and their relative short-term thinking with regards to what they were doing and putting out during the last decade.
Those of us who bared witness to the flying circus that was Intel in the late P3 to the end of Pentium D days?

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Honestly, that is not surprising given how much trouble EUV has given TSMC and Samsung. Intel's 7nm is their first try at EUV so it doesn't like they avoided initial trouble either. Intel said their first chips based on 7nm will be on late 2022/early 2023. They must hit that target or they will be in some deep trouble.
Alternatively, they can seek TSMC/Samsung for 2022-23 CPUs while fixing their own fab problems.
For Pointe Vechio or do you mean for their processors? If it's the latter you refer to, that may prove "dangerous" to their stock. For over 20 years, Intel has boasted about why they're number one. Hint: It has to do with them running their own fabs in house. And how they are at the forefront of everything chip related. It'd be a blow to their market capital and give financial vultures a reason to manipulate them.

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Looks like their stock took a hit with the news.
AMD monopoly coming folks. The news is pretty bad on ARM Side too. Softbank appears to have liquidity issues too if it has to sell its major holdings in Japan Softbank Mobile Carrier, Sprint and its Alibaba shares. It's already left the Alibaba board seat it held. That Vision Fund 1 & 2 are looking very bad with Weworks and oyo likely to go under. Even its investment in all those car riding and food delivery companies are looking very bad. Better hope the rumors of Nvidia buying ARM are true.

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