Originally Posted by WannaBeOCer
Intel hasn't announced further 10nm delays and announced Alder Lake will be out for desktops. This will be based on Golden Cove cores which rumors suggest are 50% faster than Skylake cores. Hopefully Zen 4 can compete when it's out.
50% faster than Skylake, meaning what? 50% faster IPC clock for clock compared to first generation Skylake, or 50% in select situations where other factors also differ?
I'd LOVE a 50% IPC increase (I even say that as someone who JUST bought into current stuff) but I don't see it happening.
Originally Posted by XGS-Duplicity
AMD is already doing that now by only giving an extra 100mhz or so with their refreshes at an increased price point. Do they forget why people joined team red in the first place? It ain't because their new chips are "overclockable", because they are kinda not. I wonder how many oc enthusiasts who left intel for amd are disappointed that they don't actually get to overclock like we can on intel.
Eh, I don't mind the lack of overclocking because CPUs from both Intel and AMD are just closer to their ceilings these days, and now there's boosting on both CPUs and GPUs that just take thermal and voltage situations into account and adjust things on the fly. I care about performance for the dollar far more than "can I overclock it as much as the other", since overclocking was always about getting more performance for the dollar rather than for the sake of it for me.
I only speak for myself though; I know the passion of overclocking is very much a thing. I did enjoy it at times, but it was typically second to the above for me.
Originally Posted by Liranan
AMD released the XT chips at the same price as the X ones and yet you guy blame them for high prices when resellers are price gouging. I don't see you guys doing that when nVidia do the same.
Well, the thing was (at least here in the U.S.) that yes they supposedly slotted those in as refreshes at the same prices, but the ones they supposedly replaced were often found below (sometimes by a wide margin) that supposed MSRP, so the XT processor's biggest competitors were the CPUs they were slotting in to replace. I wouldn't necessarily blame AMD per se for that, but it's a valid point; saying "these are the same price but free improvements" wasn't entirely true.
Then there was the issue of no cooling solution included (though you later added this one). I'm actually not bothered by that much since it's less waste if you plan to replace it anyway, but the cost didn't reflect it. Also, I DID end up getting saved by my 3700X having an included cooler, even if it's not going to be permanent.