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post #31 of 41 (permalink) Old 07-31-2020, 02:57 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted by XGS-Duplicity View Post
I think when he is saying unlock the 10900k, like unlock the true potential of what the chip has to offer, and i don't even mean like apex levels of performance because it wouldn't be fair to compare it to that at all as we know that the apex/dark/gene boards are in a league of their own. Or at least that's what I assume he is talkin about. Has 4x8gb memory performance improved on the unify yet? Last I saw 4x8 [email protected] at 1.95v had like 39 ns latency. 39ns is gigabyte z390 master's 17-17-17-37-2t @ 4000 1.35v with tuned subs and a decent cache ratio.
How do you know these memory latency limitations are down to the motherboard? I had thought the quality of the IMC also had something to do with it?
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BS.

Z490 Unify costs $300.
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If you really want to unlock the 10900k, you have to pick a $450+ MB.
I'm MAD because there is NOTHING that should have kept me from running a i7-6700k -> i9-10900k in a z390! The new top z490's are rebranded z390's. Instead of releasing a new socket with their new CPU, Intel should have back ported it to run all 1151 CPU's. That would have completely cleared out their MB's and CPU's. Remember Intel released 2 CPU's and then made the next 2 incompatible with the the older 1151 socket :-(
I have a Asus CHVI-E x370 MB that will run a lowly first gen (2017) Ryzen 1 2c/4t to latest (2020) Ryzen 3 16c/32t CPU. This is all off the AM4 socket.
Where is Intel's superiority? It's the same tech ~ that was used in the i7-6700k/z170 to the i9-9900k/z390 (Socket 1151) (14++++). Other than Greed, there's no need for a new Socket nor a new $500 CPU.
IIRC Intel's new 10nm or 7nm??, will require a new chipset anyways z590 anyone?.

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Intel hasn't announced further 10nm delays and announced Alder Lake will be out for desktops. This will be based on Golden Cove cores which rumors suggest are 50% faster than Skylake cores. Hopefully Zen 4 can compete when it's out.
50% faster than Skylake, meaning what? 50% faster IPC clock for clock compared to first generation Skylake, or 50% in select situations where other factors also differ?

I'd LOVE a 50% IPC increase (I even say that as someone who JUST bought into current stuff) but I don't see it happening.
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AMD is already doing that now by only giving an extra 100mhz or so with their refreshes at an increased price point. Do they forget why people joined team red in the first place? It ain't because their new chips are "overclockable", because they are kinda not. I wonder how many oc enthusiasts who left intel for amd are disappointed that they don't actually get to overclock like we can on intel.
Eh, I don't mind the lack of overclocking because CPUs from both Intel and AMD are just closer to their ceilings these days, and now there's boosting on both CPUs and GPUs that just take thermal and voltage situations into account and adjust things on the fly. I care about performance for the dollar far more than "can I overclock it as much as the other", since overclocking was always about getting more performance for the dollar rather than for the sake of it for me.

I only speak for myself though; I know the passion of overclocking is very much a thing. I did enjoy it at times, but it was typically second to the above for me.
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AMD released the XT chips at the same price as the X ones and yet you guy blame them for high prices when resellers are price gouging. I don't see you guys doing that when nVidia do the same.
Well, the thing was (at least here in the U.S.) that yes they supposedly slotted those in as refreshes at the same prices, but the ones they supposedly replaced were often found below (sometimes by a wide margin) that supposed MSRP, so the XT processor's biggest competitors were the CPUs they were slotting in to replace. I wouldn't necessarily blame AMD per se for that, but it's a valid point; saying "these are the same price but free improvements" wasn't entirely true.

Then there was the issue of no cooling solution included (though you later added this one). I'm actually not bothered by that much since it's less waste if you plan to replace it anyway, but the cost didn't reflect it. Also, I DID end up getting saved by my 3700X having an included cooler, even if it's not going to be permanent.

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50% faster than Skylake, meaning what? 50% faster IPC clock for clock compared to first generation Skylake, or 50% in select situations where other factors also differ?

I'd LOVE a 50% IPC increase (I even say that as someone who JUST bought into current stuff) but I don't see it happening.
Right 50% faster IPC clock for clock compared to Skylake. Willow Cove is already 25% faster than Skylake. When Sunny Cove came out it was 18% faster than Skylake clock for clock.

That would be a 25% IPC increase over Willow Cove(Tiger Lake)
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Ah, my misunderstanding then. I was taking that to potentially mean a 50% IPC increase compared to the then prior offering. Strange how Skylake is being used for the comparison then instead of the prior offering. Traditionally, when Intel says "xx% faster" it often meant IPS in select circumstances (which can be affected by clock speed, namely, as well), and not just IPC alone, though many people take it that way, hence my questioning of that.

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Ah, my misunderstanding then. I was taking that to potentially mean a 50% IPC increase compared to the then prior offering. Strange how Skylake is being used for the comparison then instead of the prior offering. Traditionally, when Intel says "xx% faster" it often meant IPS in select circumstances (which can be affected by clock speed, namely, as well), and not just IPC alone, though many people take it that way, hence my questioning of that.
You do realize that all the other 14nm desktop chips after Skylake are still using Skylake cores with security fixes? Clock a 6700k to the same clock as a 10900k and compare ST performance. They're both relatively the same depending on the microcodes used for security fixes.

https://www.anandtech.com/show/15785...ke-we-go-again

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As mentioned, 10th Gen Comet Lake is, by and large, the same CPU core design as 6th Gen Skylake from 2015. This is, for lack of a better explanation, Skylake++++ built on 14++. Aside from increasing the core count, the frequency, the memory support, some of the turbo responses, and enabling more voltage/frequency customization (more on the next page), there has been no significant increase in IPC from Intel all while AMD has gone from Excavator to Zen to Zen 2, with sizable IPC increases and efficiency improvements. With Intel late on 10nm, Comet Lake does feel like another hold-over until Intel can either get its 10nm process right for the desktop market or backport its newer architectures to 14nm; so Intel should be trying its best to avoid a sixth generation of the same core design after this. Comet Lake is still aiming to carve a spot in the market, with the main marketing materials from Intel promising the best gaming experience.

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That’s what I’m talking about. I have a ASRock z170 OCF that will run a 6th gen & a 9th gen all by a BIOS patch. Several of the top z270 have a BIOS hack or Hardware hack to allow 8th & 9th gen CPU to work in them. Why could they not make it the other way, z370/90 work with 6th & 7th gen?

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That’️s what I’️m talking about. I have a ASRock z170 OCF that will run a 6th gen & a 9th gen all by a BIOS patch. Several of the top z270 have a BIOS hack or Hardware hack to allow 8th & 9th gen CPU to work in them. Why could they not make it the other way, z370/90 work with 6th & 7th gen?
Not sure where you heard it's just a "bios patch" but that's incorrect. You need to physically modify the pins on the CPU to get them working on z170/z270.

I've been running the mod for over a year now. Z270 boards users are unlucky because many of them don't support 16 threads.
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Not sure where you heard it's just a "bios patch" but that's incorrect. You need to physically modify the pins on the CPU to get them working on z170/z270.

I've been running the mod for over a year now. Z270 boards users are unlucky because many of them don't support 16 threads.
Thank You for that great info :-). I know the modding of the pins is required also to make it work. If you look at the VRM section on the Asus M9A (z270 IX Apex) M10A (z370 X Apex). They are the same? The Asus M11A (z390 XI Apex)/M12A (z490 XII Apex), The EVGA Dark z390 and z490, Ect Ect.

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