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Why would you want small, weak cores on desktop? Laptop sure, power and heat are always the driving concern. But what is the actual gain from sacrificing chunks of the die to run 5W tiny cores instead of real cores when you're plugged into the wall and drawing hundreds of watts of system power anyway?
Agreed. With p-states/c-states, I don't think little cores are necessary. The cores can already downclock themselves and pull less power. How much lower can you go before it really is just a waste of die space? Idling, a Ryzen 3700X will pull like 30W. Full speed is 65W. Is that 5W really worth it for the efffort?

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Well... If you have no new tech, at least you can always make new marketing.

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Why would you want small, weak cores on desktop? Laptop sure, power and heat are always the driving concern. But what is the actual gain from sacrificing chunks of the die to run 5W tiny cores instead of real cores when you're plugged into the wall and drawing hundreds of watts of system power anyway?
Probably more performance than ht threads and power and heat are still a concern on desktop.

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Quote: Originally Posted by WannaBeOCer View Post
Source: https://www.guru3d.com/news-story/in...lder-lake.html



I like the new minimalist logos, excited to see what Alder Lake will have in store for us next year on desktop. All rumors point to it being a monster. Shocked it took this long for a company to make a big.LITTLE x86 architecture. We don't need large cores to surf the web anymore.

Intel has always been behind on multi-core architectures. It knew ring bus didn't scale and thats why it held the tech back for as long as it could.

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Well... If you have no new tech, at least you can always make new marketing.
How dare you, Intel is so superior they don't need any new tech. You can use a cpu from many moons ago and it's a great value and still faster than anything coming out for the next 5 years. We all know the intel logos add another 10% performance boost just like a GTR sticker does on a car.
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Intel has always been behind on multi-core architectures. It knew ring bus didn't scale and thats why it held the tech back for as long as it could.
That makes no sense why Intel/Via/AMD haven't made a big.LITTLE x86 architecture. Seems like you're forgetting Intel had the first 18 core x86 processor. Zen 2 is the first architecture AMD had in a while that actually outperforms Intel's similar core parts.

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Agreed. With p-states/c-states, I don't think little cores are necessary.
C-states give you clown cursor. Little cores should accomplish low power while keeping your greased hog cursor.

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Explain that to Google/Chrome and all the browsers based on it That thing will eat how many cores and RAM it can get and still choke badly.

The new Evolution has come, time to pay for 8 small cores and 2 big cores (aka the same old cores we have now). Tada, smaller die, moar profit, here we go.
Blisteringly mad to think how Intel has to ignore the community until they concede they did something wrong and were arrogant about it. Oh well. The Core generation was a good run.

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Intel has always been behind on multi-core architectures. It knew ring bus didn't scale and thats why it held the tech back for as long as it could.
Could you please explain what you mean here? I've read ring bus seems to max out at 12 or 14 theoretical cores but power draw is huge compared to the 10 cores right now on 10th gen. And mesh latency isn't very good for mainstream use. I'm trying to think back to what Intel's done for multicore prior to Core and the Pentium D pops in my mind which had to route die to die communication through the motherboard. Is that what you're referencing? Or like the original quad cores that were two Core 2 Duos "glued" together?

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Could you please explain what you mean here? I've read ring bus seems to max out at 12 or 14 theoretical cores but power draw is huge compared to the 10 cores right now on 10th gen. And mesh latency isn't very good for mainstream use. I'm trying to think back to what Intel's done for multicore prior to Core and the Pentium D pops in my mind which had to route die to die communication through the motherboard. Is that what you're referencing? Or like the original quad cores that were two Core 2 Duos "glued" together?
Yes. They did all they could to delay multi threaded aps as that was what AMD had been working on for over a decade. If they didn't have such a dominant position buldozer would have faired much better over time and we would all have had multi threaded programs much sooner. Just Intel doing what intel does, if they cannot compete then they try to change the landscape woth their market share. Its exactly what they are doing with AVX512 right now. The sad part is if they hadn't slowed muti threading progress and had been developing multi core themselves i instead of sitting on their butts reselling the same chip reprocessed then they would more than likely still be in the lead. Its not like it wasn't inevitable anyway as there are diminishing returns trying to eak out performance from a single core.

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