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post #11 of 28 (permalink) Old 11-19-2018, 06:49 AM
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...If this concerns people how exactly do they feel about gmail.
I trust anything from Google, including Gmail, about as far as I can spit upwind in a class 5 hurricane.

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...Telemetry? What? Just block it in a firewall.
Easier said than done.

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Should all be opt in not out.

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What next, Microsoft just remove all forms of spell check in Europe?

If this concerns people how exactly do they feel about gmail.
Same thing I say about AV programs, do it locally. Batch update definitions on a schedule, dictionaries or what have you and have all that stuff run locally.

As for how I feel about Gmail, no eye deer, never used it. Plenty of other third party email services available for pennies a day that actually respect privacy, have an actual educated English speaking human on the line to talk to if something goes wrong in your config, thinking of Runbox, Startmail, Protonmail .

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Personally, it sounds like a media beat up.

I'm all for privacy and don't use Chrome, Edge or other such browsers for that reason and i'm also highly critical of Windows 10 and its advertising ID and marketing tactics.

But in this case, it sounds to me it's not so much Microsoft 'spying on your emails' as simply the spell checker that's used in Outlook and Word (Thus emails and documents as mentioned in the article). This isn't a case of Microsoft having Office send the subject heads of your emails or names of your documents back to their servers to invade your privacy, but rather it's tied into spell check / auto correct and they want the data to further refine and improve the service and its behaviour for customers and tailor it to specific regions.

What next, Microsoft just remove all forms of spell check in Europe?

If this concerns people how exactly do they feel about gmail.

I completely disagree. Word processor applications have done spell-checking for more than two decades now, so if any company hasn't gotten it down to an excellent level by now, by having the best dictionaries, hiring linguists and having focus groups over the years, then it's incompetence on their part wanting telemetry at this point in time, in 2018, to get it right. This is a mediocre excuse to siphon data from people's computers for whatever purposes they have.

As xJumper said above, this should be done 100% locally. The risks of private data being uploaded, even if it's a single word here and a single word there, are enormous and completely unacceptable. They are your documents, it should be a principle set in stone by now, it's none of their business, regardless of what is in a given document.

If it was a "media beat up", Microsoft wouldn't have responded with changes as quickly as they did to the investigation.

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That will happen with the real users of the Office Suite. The vast majority of MS Office users do not even use 10% of the functionality built into the application suite making LibreOffice a fine alternative.
That's what I was getting at, a lot of people gripe about incompatibilities between MS Office & Libre Office, but for 95% of people they use the same basic feature set found since Office 97 which makes Libre Office more than good enough of a choice. Like why bother paying out the rear for MS Office or a sub for Office 365 when there is this free thing that does everything you will need it to do.

So if I need a high performance office suite...

...Maybe the solution is to switch to Word Perfect. COREL WORD PERFECT, as if, they still make it too.

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I completely disagree. Word processor applications have done spell-checking for more than two decades now, so if any company hasn't gotten it down to an excellent level by now, by having the best dictionaries, hiring linguistics and having focus groups over the years, then it's incompetence on their part wanting telemetry at this point in time, in 2018, to get it right. This is a mediocre excuse to siphon data from people's computers for whatever purposes they have.

As xJumper said above, this should be done 100% locally. The risks of private data being uploaded, even if it's a single word here and a single word there, are enormous and completely unacceptable. They are your documents, it should be a principle set in stone by now, it's none of their business, regardless of what is in a given document.

If it was a "media beat up", Microsoft wouldn't have responded with changes as quickly as they did to the investigation.
I see your point and admit I didn't consider it that way. Regardless, it's unacceptable that such practices are 'stealthily' implemented without any clear notification to customer and also default to opt in vs opt out.

I'd hazzard a guess that Microsoft responded so swiftly because of potential GDPR issues.
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That's what I was getting at, a lot of people gripe about incompatibilities between MS Office & Libre Office, but for 95% of people they use the same basic feature set found since Office 97 which makes Libre Office more than good enough of a choice. Like why bother paying out the rear for MS Office or a sub for Office 365 when there is this free thing that does everything you will need it to do.

So if I need a high performance office suite...

...Maybe the solution is to switch to Word Perfect. COREL WORD PERFECT, as if, they still make it too.

Really look at the functions available in LibreOffice. Nearly anything you can do with Excel can also be done in Calc, including pivot tables. It's really very powerful, but things don't work the same as in Excel so you have to learn how to use those functions. And if you really come across something in Excel that cannot be done in Calc, the real issue is that function actually belonged in Access and you should really perform that function in LibreOffice Base. Any spread sheet can be converted to tables in LibreOffice Base.



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How are you going to differentiate legitimate IP packets going to out to say, Windows Update, from telemetry data?
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