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post #21 of 28 (permalink) Old 11-22-2018, 04:53 AM
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LibreOffice.

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No, not really.


It's perfectly fine for personal use, I use it in fact. But there can be compatibility issues with it when it comes to businesses/government agencies/schools using it. There is a reason why so many for profit corporations pay tens of thousands to Microsoft for licenses to use Office rather than saving that money and using a free alternative like LibreOffice.

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No, not really.


It's perfectly fine for personal use, I use it in fact. But there can be compatibility issues with it when it comes to businesses/government agencies/schools using it. There is a reason why so many for profit corporations pay tens of thousands to Microsoft for licenses to use Office rather than saving that money and using a free alternative like LibreOffice.
Actually, yes. Really.

LibreOffice is perfect for a corporate environment. The only reason corporations do not switch to it is the learning curve expense with doing so. Compatibility is fine and most corporate documents shipped outside an organization are done in PDF format any way, and least in my experience. About the only environment that would REQUIRE absolute 100% compatibility with Microsoft Office would be legal documents where two sides are collaborating on a single legal document so that all edits are saved in an identical format to provide a history of how the document came to be.

And LibreOffice will always have a learning curve for users due to the fact that the current interface for Office is solely owned by Microsoft. You cannot duplicate the format.

I would further state that the native open document formats in LibreOffice are far superior to the proprietary formats in MS Office.

Were I opening a business that required an office suite today, I would use LibreOffice, hands down. Start out with the requirement and set the expectations up front. Furthermore, donate to the project and gain some professional support for the product.



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Actually, yes. Really.
LibreOffice is perfect for a corporate environment. The only reason corporations do not switch to it is the learning curve expense with doing so. Compatibility is fine and most corporate documents shipped outside an organization are done in PDF format any way, and least in my experience. About the only environment that would REQUIRE absolute 100% compatibility with Microsoft Office would be legal documents where two sides are collaborating on a single legal document so that all edits are saved in an identical format to provide a history of how the document came to be.
MS Office also has incompatibility between version of Office. Try open a document built in 2013, in 2010 or 2007. Completely breaks the formatting. I'd image its the same moving between 2013 & 2016.
So everyone needs to be on the same version if they are collaberating on a document, making more sense to stick with an open standard.

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I would further state that the native open document formats in LibreOffice are far superior to the proprietary formats in MS Office.
Office hasn't used a proprietary format by default since Office 2003. Office 2007 and later all use Office Open XML. The problem is that there are several different standards that comprise this format, and each version of Office supports reading and writing different standards. 2013 was the first to fully support writing documents using the "true" standard (ISO/IEC 29500 Strict) but no version of Office uses it by default. It's also very difficult to implement these formats in software because the specification is over 6500 pages. LibreOffice has decent, but not perfect, support for OOXML, though I'm not sure which variants. MS Office has support for the Open Document Format, but it's also not perfect.

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Personally, it sounds like a media beat up.

I'm all for privacy and don't use Chrome, Edge or other such browsers for that reason and i'm also highly critical of Windows 10 and its advertising ID and marketing tactics.

But in this case, it sounds to me it's not so much Microsoft 'spying on your emails' as simply the spell checker that's used in Outlook and Word (Thus emails and documents as mentioned in the article). This isn't a case of Microsoft having Office send the subject heads of your emails or names of your documents back to their servers to invade your privacy, but rather it's tied into spell check / auto correct and they want the data to further refine and improve the service and its behaviour for customers and tailor it to specific regions.

What next, Microsoft just remove all forms of spell check in Europe?

If this concerns people how exactly do they feel about gmail.
Ooooorrrrrrrrrrrr. They include spellcheck in their standalone product. /gasp

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I trust anything from Google, including Gmail, about as far as I can spit upwind in a class 5 hurricane.
What other email provider do you trust? I trust google more than anyone else, because I trust their security more than anyone else. Your logic more appropriately worded is that you don't trust anyone. Do you trust the overclock.net site? I am willing to bet that someone has hacked into the db stole email addresses and hashed out passwords and no one noticed. I do trust Overclock.net to have the passwords hashed out, while some other sites it wouldn't surprise me for them all to clear text. So, really it just becomes a lesser of evils. It would surprise me if apple wasnt already doing this on their OS's. You know you are if your using an Iphone. The nice thing with google is that they know everything there is to know about me. From my phone they figured out where I live, where I work, the hours i leave and get home from work. My hobbies, my porn fetishes, just about everything i can think of except for financial information. All this information comes from individual services, like web search, email, gps\traffic + maps. I can either not use those services or find someone else for those. Problem being, that everyone else's services are inferior. Like would you use ask.com instead of google.com? You get traffic information from gps info from everyone's phones, and you could pay for a service for this, but they would be pulling that info from you as well.

Long story short... use the best product your info is gonna get out there either way. You might as well be happy.



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Personally, it sounds like a media beat up.

I'm all for privacy and don't use Chrome, Edge or other such browsers for that reason and i'm also highly critical of Windows 10 and its advertising ID and marketing tactics.

But in this case, it sounds to me it's not so much Microsoft 'spying on your emails' as simply the spell checker that's used in Outlook and Word (Thus emails and documents as mentioned in the article). This isn't a case of Microsoft having Office send the subject heads of your emails or names of your documents back to their servers to invade your privacy, but rather it's tied into spell check / auto correct and they want the data to further refine and improve the service and its behaviour for customers and tailor it to specific regions.

What next, Microsoft just remove all forms of spell check in Europe?

If this concerns people how exactly do they feel about gmail.
I agree with this. The article sounds really bad until you read "when spell check/auto correct features were used". That just sounds like someone doesn't know how those features work.
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What other email provider do you trust? I trust google more than anyone else, because I trust their security more than anyone else.
Lot's of paid email providers offer high quality service for the price of a fast food combo a year. If you ever have an issue setting up your domain, locking out an account or something there's a legit English speaking knowledgeable IT person who you can call up. Ever lock out an account with Microsoft/Hotmail/Outlook/Google or whatever email services? Good luck trying to get a hold of someone. Everyone's a grown up here, everyone can fork out fifteen bucks for email. Said providers have much higher security/privacy standards, many offer optional no-back up services and combined with an email client setup for POP3 download you essentially have no records/logs. Choosing free web mail over that so you can be raped by Google/MS instead of forking over $15 is dumb. It's free because they data mine the crap out of you and get that $15 back that the service would cost one hundred fold out of building an advertising ID out of you, putting all their UI/UX guys to work to build enticing ads for those marketing ID's and getting people to buy more stupid stuff they don't need. Net result, you lost more. That $15 you didn't spend on email ended up with you becoming poorer from some stupid crap you inadvertently and likely unknowingly got marketed and then went and bought.

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Your logic more appropriately worded is that you don't trust anyone.
You really shouldn't especially nowadays on the internet, anything else is being naive. Time and time again it's proven in every data breach, every whatever that ticking the privacy slider to "ON" or what have you wasn't actually true, that your data wasn't actually protected, etc...

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Do you trust the overclock.net site?
No, considering there's about 24 background domains/scripts I have blocked trying to connect and rape me for information every time I connect to this site but then again that's why they're blocked.

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I am willing to bet that someone has hacked into the db stole email addresses and hashed out passwords and no one noticed.
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I do trust Overclock.net to have the passwords hashed out
You trusted wrong, Overclock.net is run by Vertical Scope. VS was hit with two major breaches not too long ago, user credentials were dumped and brute forced open/sold on darknets.

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The nice thing with google is that they know everything there is to know about me. From my phone they figured out where I live, where I work, the hours i leave and get home from work. My hobbies, my porn fetishes, just about everything i can think of except for financial information. All this information comes from individual services, like web search, email, gps\traffic + maps.
Hopefully you never become someone important. You see important people, big shots, they secretly laugh at people who use their services and don't use them themselves. Mark Zuckerberg thinks people who use his service are idiots, big shots at Facebook and other tech companies actually tell their own family members to steer clear, they know it's all been engineered to be super addictive time wasting revenue generation. Big business tycoons (so basically successful people), they don't use smartphones; they use dumb phones or no phones at all and do it Godfather style where they tell someone else who then tells whatever person they're trying to contact. That should tell you something about how "awesome" these services you speak of are.

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I can either not use those services or find someone else for those. Problem being, that everyone else's services are inferior. Like would you use ask.com instead of google.com? You get traffic information from gps info from everyone's phones, and you could pay for a service for this, but they would be pulling that info from you as well. Long story short... use the best product your info is gonna get out there either way. You might as well be happy.
Or you can be like us the resistors, buck the trend at every turn and be those services yourself. Want a nice smartphone with all the Google features but giving them back zero on you, go load up a custom OS with all the Google spyware ripped out, host your own cloud services, use search engines that scrape off of Google results and the best of all just suck it up and do it the old school way. Get traffic info by tuning in to the local radio station that plays it every 1 on the hour, flip the TV channel to the local news that displays traffic cameras, etc...

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