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post #31 of 40 (permalink) Old 12-06-2018, 09:25 AM
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I don't use edge because I don't understand why I should.

Chrome is faster and I am already a user. Microsoft has to give me some reason to use their browser or I am not going to. Even if they build what is essentially chrome with a MS blue skin on it, I still won't use it. You need to differentiate in order to get me to switch.
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Not necessarily. There are other contenders in works like Brave.
Every other contender... Brave, Seamonkey, Opera, Comodo Dragon, Waterfox or whatever else there is. If you combined them all you might get 2% market share. Once this goes through, Firefox will be the last man standing in the browser game with its 15% or so market share, if that were to go it would be game over. Google could essentially corner the market, come up with some new standard of web development or something, force some kind of technology that would make the web unusable on alternative browsers, they already sort of push this idea with "works best on Chrome". If you run one of those 1%'er browsers right now you do encounter issues on some websites for serious business like financial institutions, they throw the user agent signature of your browser in the outdated/tor browser/weird config category and the site doesn't load. I've run tor browser without the tor network (so basically just a hardened Firefox) and plenty of sites break or don't load. Google would most definitely like to attrition out other browsers, they can't when Firefox has a small but still sizeable enough user base that crap would hit the fan if they just broke the web for those on that browser. Without it, Google would be free to basically take over the way we see the internet. I don't see any other browser rising from the ashes either, Firefox was born of Netscape and basically has a 15 year head start on anything that's out now yet still only has a 15% market share.

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Unfortunately Brave is built on Chromium and is therefore still contributing to the lack of browser engine diversity.

That's another problem, once you count the number of browsers not based on Chromium the list gets awfully short.

Another thing to note is that even the open source Chromium isn't said to be fully secure. Many in the pro internet privacy/foss circles warn against using it since nobody has really audited the entire code base, it's too massive. The de-Googled versions of Chrome likely have most of the Google tracking ripped out but there's probably little tid bits left over, like a line of code somewhere that makes something unique and allows for browser finger printing or something like that.

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I don't see any other browser rising from the ashes either, Firefox was born of Netscape and basically has a 15 year head start on anything that's out now yet still only has a 15% market share.




To be fair, Mozilla was born from the ashes of Netscape which died because of Internet Explorer and Microsoft (sounds familiar). Mozilla's biggest mistake was working with Google. Google basically learned how to build a browser through them and then poached some of their talent for Chrome.



I guess that story will have to repeat itself with Google's eventual Anti-Trust suit and Mozilla's new Servo engine.
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Quote: Originally Posted by xJumper View Post
I don't see any other browser rising from the ashes either, Firefox was born of Netscape and basically has a 15 year head start on anything that's out now yet still only has a 15% market share.

It also has a decade of baggage to drag around, although it is slowly throwing it off. The loss of support for XUL extensions was painful but necessary.

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Wonder if they will bake in an extension or something to handle ie7/11 needs for enterprise use.
Even with win enterprise + GPO, 1805+ is making it even more annoying to get rid of edge and make IE default with new images/AD wide pushes.
We've put our users on either firefox or chrome, their choice for daily usage, but we still have web based applications that were made in the olden days and it doesnt look like they will be updated anytime soon...that's if they can even be updated.

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Wonder if they will bake in an extension or something to handle ie7/11 needs for enterprise use.
Even with win enterprise + GPO, 1805+ is making it even more annoying to get rid of edge and make IE default with new images/AD wide pushes.
We've put our users on either firefox or chrome, their choice for daily usage, but we still have web based applications that were made in the olden days and it doesnt look like they will be updated anytime soon...that's if they can even be updated.

They'll get updated when the company gets owned from some priv escalation exploit on IE whenever that ends up happening.

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IMO Vista was good, even on release. I even went to one of their Release event things at a movie theater where they explained all the features and everything... got me a free Ulti 64-bit version. I didnt have any issue with it needing more resources, but the thing that annoyed me to no end was trying to figure out where everything was again. Add remove programs... where is my connection settings. IMO, Win 8 was worse than Vista. Removing the start button, and i actually had to google, how to log off a VM of Win8 when remoted into and not just dissconnect (which leaves resources allocated).

At least with Vista the major changes they actually kept in the next version. When you look at Win8 to Win10, they removed a ton of the stuff they were pushing. Vista was a jump with stuff that needed to be added, while Win8 was just annoying. The worst part of Win8 was that in beta you could flip a reg setting and bring back the start menu... they eventually removed that around the end of the beta.

I only got rid of Vista because lack of TRIM support. W7 was actually less stable for me even though it was mostly still Vista codebase. I would need to reboot once every month in a half or so, Vista would usually go more than 2 months before needing a reboot. Compared to a W2K install I had that had about a year and a half uptime.

I agree with W8 being horrible, I completely avoided that.

I used to take care of critical events, I had both Vista and W7 nailed down and went over a year on both without getting any. W8 was horrible and W10 is just impossible. I stopped trying because W10 just streams errors.
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I hate using chrome, when google's entire business model is selling ads that's kind of a conflict of interest when it comes to building a web browser. I use firefox on all my devices and most importantly it supports UBO on android.

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