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Don't understand how so called "power users" here can prefer Chrome over Firefox and it's about:config customization. It's literally like the difference between a desktop PC and a Gameboy in terms of the level of control one has.

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It would be more effective and more ethical for you to avoid using sites that have ads that annoy. What you're doing is analogous to pirating cable TV because you think their rates are too high. In both cases, you're refusing to pay for a service, yet consume it anyway because you don't like how they get paid.

So, you have no qualms at all about using this site while denying them any source of revenue to pay for running the site? Do you realize that if everyone did that, this site would either disappear or only be available only to those willing pay a subscription fee (more likely, it just wouldn't exist)? In fact, the revenue model for probably 90% of the web would be busted entirely.
For years DirecTV wouldn't let me get local network channels, said I was close enough to get them via antenna. There were network feeds from east/west coast affiliates, but I could not access those because doing so would deprive the local station advertisers of views. At the same time this was going on (it's since been resolved) DirecTV was running ads describing how to get a DVR so you could skip annoying commercials. Go figure.

So me getting feeds that cut the local ads out of the loop was a no-no, but me skipping the ads with a DirecTV DVR was encouraged.

I pay DirecTV a monthly fee (roughly $200/mo, so it's not like I'm skimping by), and I use their DVR to skip commercials. There are not very many programs I watch that have commercials in them, so I DVR every show, watch it later, and skip every commercial. I even know how many 30 second skips is required per commercial break for each program.

Right now Ublock Origin shows 23 blocked domains. Before the VS takeover, it usually was around 7. I could whitelist the site back then, and actually clicked on some ads, now there's just no way.

It's been a year since the change in ownership, I went from being a fairly regular poster to only about 25 posts in that entire year. So who makes more money - 25 posts a year with 23 ads/trackers, or 25 posts a week with 7 ads/trackers?

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Don't understand how so called "power users" here can prefer Chrome over Firefox and it's about:config customization. It's literally like the difference between a desktop PC and a Gameboy in terms of the level of control one has.
More customization != better.

If I don't need more than what Chrome affords me, why should I switch over to a slower browser? I used to run Firefox, but I switched over to Chrome when ScriptSafe and ublock Origin became available. That's all I need in a browser, and I won't suffer a slower experience for the sake of your principle.

Firefox DOES do one thing better than Chrome for my utilization, and that's fullscreen. Other than that, Firefox is not a valid alternative for me.

In any case, I'm using Brave now, so the Chrome vs Firefox debate is essentially not a concern of mine anymore.

inb4 "lol I'm a power user and you suck"

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If I don't need more than what Chrome affords me, why should I switch over to a slower browser?
Only browser that can actually defend against fingerprinting, like I said if you don't do that you already lost any resemblance of privacy; might as well not have any privacy settings at all.

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I used to run Firefox, but I switched over to Chrome when ScriptSafe and ublock Origin became available. That's all I need in a browser, and I won't suffer a slower experience for the sake of your principle.
It does in this case, in the general theme of this thread it does. There's way more to safe browsing than simply blocking scripts/ads, the customization level in about:config and the way you can harden your browser steps up your safety to a whole other level. Can you even disable ALL third party cookies in Chrome or auto playing media elements? Preventing downgrade attacks, blocking unsafe TLS/SSL versions, preventing all sorts of extra tracking and websites pinging the status of your devices e.g. battery/mic/webcam, setting your reefer header policy, etc. There's just too much, there's a reason Tor browser is based on Firefox and not Chrome...

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inb4 "lol I'm a power user and you suck"
You don't suck, like many you're just not informed on the modern techniques used to attack people on the internet or invade their privacy so you think Google Chrome is adequate.

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Can you even disable ALL third party cookies in Chrome or auto playing media elements?
Yes, with the proper add-ons, and Brave does this as well natively. You have to whitelist everything manually, at which point, should anything untoward happen, it's on the user and not on the browser.

The Tor browser is based on Firefox's source code because, like you said, the latter is more customizable and the teams began collaborating. The team behind Brave probably chose Chromium because it enables them to build their software the way they want to while taking advantage of some of the benefits of Chrome.

Chrome does what I need it to do with a selection of add-ons (I have 4 of them installed), and Brave does it as well (with less of them). Now, am I not a power user for knowing how to customize a specific browser to suit my specific needs? I think I am. Is my validity as one in question if I don't use Firefox instead? I don't think so. One of these was the implication in your first post, which is why I replied.

If, instead, your definition of "power user" is different from mine, it'd be helpful if you could elaborate.

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I now get malware notices in Chrome with Blur [anti-tracking/ad extension] active.

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I really don't understand why people defect to Brave instead of Firefox.
I just don't personally like Firefox and never have. Brave looks and works just like Chrome which is what I've been using as default browser for years.


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If, instead, your definition of "power user" is different from mine, it'd be helpful if you could elaborate.

A "power user" in this case in the classical sense/historically on the internet would typically be one to renounce anything that forces something or a specific config, one that prefers complication and control over simplicity and walls. Anything that walls them in somehow would sort of be the anti-thesis of the power user philosophy, kind of like why Apple products are not popular among the serious computer people circles.

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A "power user" in this case in the classical sense/historically on the internet would typically be one to renounce anything that forces something or a specific config, one that prefers complication and control over simplicity and walls. Anything that walls them in somehow would sort of be the anti-thesis of the power user philosophy, kind of like why Apple products are not popular among the serious computer people circles.
Your definition seems strangely tailored to meet the argument you're making. It's very different from my own and most other people's.

Coincidentally, it also means only Firefox users are power users. If that's the case, I'll happily be a "casual".

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This is going too far. Hopefully the amount of total income they make will be much lower after this move (if they do this appalling thing). Customers will use different services to a degree that is enough to offset add revenues increase from this.

I guess it's mostly a privacy issue, but I take privacy seriously as I am sure the good folks here do too. Worse is that forced adds which contain malware will also slip through. It's kind of an anti - anti-malware policy.
Even if the chances of being affect by browsing without blocking adds and getting a virus is still low, millions use it. Some people will get various malware infections directly as a result of this disgusting policy.

I used to really like chrome and google as a company. That's been waining over the past 18 months, and this announcement, if it happens will probably cause me not to use any of there services anymore.
Problem is, if this is done, and does mean more profits for them, then I guess others like firefox will do the same. The amount of info gathering even with good anti-malware running and sensible browsing is getting much more all the time. Governments need to act and curtail by law what can be gathered. I believe the EU do it to some extent, but not enough. The USA? I have heard nothing. Bad.

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