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post #11 of 56 (permalink) Old 02-19-2019, 10:56 PM
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Could be that Nvidia have doctored the release footage of DLSS to create hype. Else, it doesn't make sense to have such disparity between release and actual games. Wouldn't put it past Nvidia either as they can lie in order to get the gullible to buy their overpriced cards.

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Could be that Nvidia have doctored the release footage of DLSS to create hype. Else, it doesn't make sense to have such disparity between release and actual games. Wouldn't put it past Nvidia either as they can lie in order to get the gullible to buy their overpriced cards.
That wouldn't surprise me at all. They were sating RTX was this game changing thing and showing all these RTX slides compared to slides that had not lighting at all! Or the RTX version was textured differently than the non-RTX slide! GN's breakdown really blew my mind, they pointed out about 20 other things that didn't quite add up to what Nvidia was portraying.
RTX only looks amazing when you compare it to average and bad lighting, better than previous great lighting but not every time. Reflections are hands down better with RTX but I really feel like we could do better water and mirrors without needing to spend $1200 for a GPU. DLSS was supposed to be the thing that made the performance hit worth it, sure RTX tanks your native res but you can render lower and upscale for better performance. It's pretty bad when it looks worse than simply stretching a lower resolution lol.

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What is the law’s definition of false advertising?
Generally, false advertising laws say that consumers have proved their case if they show: (a) that the advertising was false or misleading; (b) that the falsity was “material,” often meaning the company lied about something important; (c) the consumer saw the false advertisement; and (d) the consumer relied on the false advertising in purchasing the product or service. Consumers may show reliance be proving they wouldn’t have bought the product or service if not for the false advertising.They may also show they relied on a false advertisement if a false statement caused them to pay more for the company’s product or service than they otherwise would have.

A false advertisement may directly say something that is not true, or is misleading. By an advertisement may also be “false” based on what it doesn’t say. If important information is omitted from an advertisement and the consumer wouldn’t have bought the product or service had they known the truth, the consumer may be able to sue the company for this failure to disclose.
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I feel like RTX owners could unite and sue Nvidia for maybe false advertising?, The web is full with the RTX drama, there won't be a problem to get settlement or even a win over this Failed product launch.
The beautiful demos without the FPS hit with RTX ON on RTX launch , No games to test when reviews went live, the unrealistic DEMO of DLSS with Port Royal, and some articles before launch "Just Buy It".

I think that if there is AMD lawsuit over false Bulldozer chip marketing, then this is even more possible?.
Of course I am not a lawyer, but this days everybody can sue for everything lol- who knows?:-), just posting my thoughts.

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I't really serous manner, RTX owner should unite and sue over this RTX drama while it's all over the tech news, I am sure the owner will get some sort of refund since there is real case of false advertising IMO, I am note from US so I am not familiar with your local false advertising laws.
Since all the RTX cards gave you same performance at same price similar to Pascal card , so the only selling point of this cards was RT and DLSS, and we all know how it's working now.

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Quote: Originally Posted by Hwgeek View Post
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I feel like RTX owners could unite and sue Nvidia for false advertising, The web is full with the RTX drama, there won't be a problem to get settlement or even a win over this Failed product launch.
The beautiful demos without the FPS hit with RTX ON on RTX launch , No games to test when reviews went live, the unrealistic DEMO of DLSS with Port Royal, and some articles before launch "Just Buy It".

I think that if there is AMD lawsuit over false Bulldozer chip marketing, then this is even more possible.
Considering you are not a lawyer, I would take your word about the possibility of a lawsuit with a mountain of salt.

I did not see such a claim that nvidia showed demons without FPS hit with RTX on. So I will take it as a lie unless you can prove otherwise.
They claimed that DLSS will increase FPS, which it has. In their DLSS page they even say that blurry images could be possible because it is a new tech. Articles claiming "just buy it" are most likely payed reviews, but it still doesn't mean what you claim it means.

The bulldozer lawsuit was about the claim that the 8 core chips were not really 8 cores. So your information is lacking quite a lot.

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Could be that Nvidia have doctored the release footage of DLSS to create hype. Else, it doesn't make sense to have such disparity between release and actual games. Wouldn't put it past Nvidia either as they can lie in order to get the gullible to buy their overpriced cards.
Not sure what footage are you talking about.
There were several benchmarks from FFXV and infiltrator demo, which are actual games, not "footage", that use DLSS. TechSpot even did their initial review about it. It is linked on the first page.
BFV DLSS came out 7 days ago. The first tests were, well, decent, but RTX was horrible. Then they released a fix to RTX, which apparently screwed up DLSS with new profiles.

Whether or not nvidia bought spots for DLSS reviews and favourable words? Of course. Both AMD and Nvidia have been doing that practice since basically day one.

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Since all the RTX cards gave you same performance at same price similar to Pascal card , so the only selling point of this cards was RT and DLSS, and we all know how it's working now.
That is false.
The 2080 is about 10% faster than the 1080 TI and it cost the same.
The 2070 is about 13% faster than the 1080 at the same cost.
The 2060 is faster than the 1070 TI etc etc.



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Of course I am not a lawyer, but this days everybody can sue for everything lol- who knows?:-), just posting my thoughts.

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Of course I am no a lower, but this days everybody can sue for everything lol- who knows?:-), just posting my thoughts.
Yes well problem is, your "thoughts" are based on opinion which does not correspond with reality.
And you make it sound like everyone are sure and right to run and sue, as if you found them the reason to do so. Problem is again, you are basing that on false information that you don't bother to check (or worse, know but is good enough to create the drama you want).

I am also waiting for the proof of some of your claims that why people should sue, claims you put that again, don't show up in reality.


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I feel like RTX owners could unite and sue Nvidia for maybe false advertising?, The web is full with the RTX drama, there won't be a problem to get settlement or even a win over this Failed product launch.
The beautiful demos without the FPS hit with RTX ON on RTX launch , No games to test when reviews went live, the unrealistic DEMO of DLSS with Port Royal, and some articles before launch "Just Buy It".

I think that if there is AMD lawsuit over false Bulldozer chip marketing, then this is even more possible?.
Of course I am no a lower, but this days everybody can sue for everything lol- who knows?:-), just posting my thoughts.
The BD suit and this are entirely different as anyone who can count past four can actually count the number of cores in a BD chip. This, however, is nVidia exaggerating claims about features they know are nowhere near as good as they claim they are. They also know that by the time class action suits are settled consumers will get nothing (the 970 debacled proved it) and leather jacket man will have filled several wardrobes with new jackets.

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Yes well problem is, your "thoughts" are based on opinion which does not correspond with reality.
And you make it sound like everyone are sure and right to run and sue, as if you found them the reason to do so. Problem is again, you are basing that on false information that you don't bother to check (or worse, know but is good enough to create the drama you want).
I am also waiting for the proof of some of your claims that why people should sue, claims you put that again, don't show up in reality.
Taking that back, it came out wrong. srry ;-).
Lets hope that the next Implementation of DLSS will look better, who know maybe NV took this very seriuslly that many article and youtube reviews saying to just turn OFF DLSS,

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