Originally Posted by xJumper
I've tried and the problem is that you simply cannot ever win permanently with Win 10. Every hack or work around is routinely worked back in through an update, the OS ignores user commands for certain things, mostly privacy/data leak related, coincidence right... I have win 10 enterprise and the OS will ignore settings set through the group policy unless I trick it into thinking it's actually part of an "enterprise" by running my own corporate active directory/update server.
You cannot stop the data leakage out of it, it's futile; there's too many leaks and just when you thought you plugged them all more leaks emerge. The OS will ignore certain hosts entries if you try and block it access to MS servers. The only thing you can do to truly gain control is setting it behind a default deny out firewall at the router level and work it in whitelist mode, but then the OS thinks it's perma offline and behaves all gimped and even then if you whitelist something it will spew out encrypted data of nobody knows what from you PC. You can't inspect it, you don't know what it is or what it isn't.
My question is whether you use NTLite or something similar to cut the bloat out of the ISO (often created from an ESD file)? I find I have to cut PRETTY deep to actually get out a lot of the spyware. Been doing this for years in Win 10. Unfortunately, some programs, due to this, actually run less efficient than had I left the spyware in.
As to it fixing itself, if you leave server initiated self-healing module intact, it will compare the cache stores of the components to the server list and correct that and feature settings to match that of Microsoft's servers. Instead, you need to cut deep enough that you get rid of the update module, neuter the Asimov telemetry and other telemetry monitoring and logging elements, and even this won't get rid of everything, but will destroy the bulk of the Win 10 spyware. Then, you can rely on WSUS applications to choose which updates to download and install after thoroughly disabling the windows update, cortana, etc. Unfortunately, until next month's update, gutting Cortana destroys the search bar functionality entirely (supposedly they will be allowing the removal of Cortana again with the next update like the first version of Win 10 until the Anniversary update baked that sh**cake in so deep that you couldn't remove it without messing with certain search functions). Also, some updates won't apply with your mods, requiring creating an ISO with the newest updates added to the ISO, then cutting out the components you don't want again, which then becomes a monthly endeavor to stay recent on security fixes, etc. Headache after headache.
I've seen some try to do the firewall thing, resulting in the OS constantly polling to try to report the data back, thereby tying up resources and actually doing a significant slowdown to the system. You may want to go the route of removing modules, etc. DISM is good, but has limitations, unfortunately, which is why I choose NTLite, but there are other similar freeware/shareware/paid programs that can accomplish the same goals (which are harder unless you have a working knowledge of DISM and Powershell and go through extensive editing there, reg editing, and gpedit, which is important to learn and understand what is happening and being done, but is a PITA, if being honest).
Originally Posted by white owl
Well one main point is to no longer have updates forced upon you. Save O&O in it's own folder anywhere, when you choose to update on your own terms simply tell O&O to apply the tweaks again, ezpz. Updating is the only thing that will revert changes made, I actually never brother updating at all unless there's something I want or there's a new build. Pretty sure I ran the same build for almost a year not long ago and my changes never reverted.
O&O disables much of the network chatter as well and AFAIK it's doing the same things that 7 was after I'd tweaked it, unless I'm using firefox my network usage is 0% all the time from what I've seen but that's already less data than 7 will sent by default which makes it a moot point on the whole 7 vs 7 thing.
You and I share a similar mindset about a lot of things, I wouldn't be using 10 if I couldn't tame it as easily as it was to apply my own tweaks to 7.
Matter of fact:
O&O, although good, is not the be all and end all of fixing Win 10. There is a LOT more that is needed (see above). Makes me wonder how much you tweaked on Win 7 and which utilities you used to do so. Either way, I would recommend, for simplicity sake, that O&O or other similar software be used in conjunction with other efforts, especially if people are not familiar with some of the more advanced methods to accomplish the same goal, or just as a time saver. But I really feel people need more awareness of exactly how spyware-y windows has become. It is BAD!