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post #41 of 87 (permalink) Old 03-14-2019, 02:07 AM
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Windows gets hacked easily because you can get any idiot to download an .exe if you promise them free music. The biggest security risk in windows is the use.

The real problem is one of education. Learning to have a minimum level of computer related understanding is the XXI century equivalent of learning to read. Excessively patronising people and not teaching them the basics will lead to the worst of both worlds, where you end up with little, walled garden choice and malware / adware.

I posted a bunch of articles a few days ago related to that about the Windows Store, here is another one from yesterday, this time pertaining to Android:

[Ars] Google Play apps with 150 million installs contain aggressive adware

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The 210 apps discovered by researchers from security firm Checkpoint Software bombarded users with ads, even when an app wasn’t open, according to a blog post published by the company on Wednesday. The apps also had the ability to carry out spearphishing attacks by causing a browser to open an attacker-chosen URL and open the apps for Google Play and third-party market 9Apps with a specific keyword search or a specific application’s page. The apps reported to a command-and-control server to receive instructions on which commands to carry out.

Once installed, the apps installed code that allowed them to perform actions as soon as the device finished booting or while the user was using the device. The apps also could remove their icon from the device launcher to make it harder for users to uninstall the nuisance apps. The apps all used a software development kit called RXDrioder, which Checkpoint researchers believe concealed its abusive capabilities from app developers. The researchers dubbed the campaign SimBad, because many of the participating apps are simulator games.

“With the capabilities of showing out-of-scope ads, exposing the user to other applications, and opening a URL in a browser, SimBad acts now as an Adware, but already has the infrastructure to evolve into a much larger threat,” Checkpoint researchers wrote.

210 apps, think about that number for a moment. What did the walled garden approach get people? A false sense of security, that's what.


Edit: And then there is this news from January:

[ZDNet] This data-stealing Android malware infiltrated the Google Play Store, infecting users in 196 countries

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Powerful Android malware capable of snooping on user location, communications logs, and stealing files and account credentials has been downloaded by at least 100,000 users around the world after successfully infiltrating the Google Play app store.
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It's possible that the apps were initially uploaded to the store without active malicious code, only for the infrastructure for conducting attacks to be added at a later date. This could have been months later, after the apps had been downloaded by large numbers of users.

"Usually Google enforce more stringent checks for new apps, but as updates are made to the app over time and they are proven not to be malicious from the offset, the level of checking may be reduced," Bharat Mistry, principal security strategist at Trend Micro, told ZDNet.

"Once the app has gained some credibility and has a good distribution of users, the app developer will then issue an update which enables the malicious features"

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Ha! I tried the registry hacks, I deleted the service, I listed all of my internets as "Metered", nothing I did could stop it from updating. A friend also fought his, including messing with powershell, and it kept coming back like an STD.


Simply put, I purely use my W7 computer. I never have to fool with anything. My 10 laptop is currently pretty stable with few updates, but I like to go for 6 months (1 semester) with zero shutdowns or downtime. Waking up to find everything I had open suddenly closed in absolutely unacceptable. I should be able to defer updates until a time that works for me. W10 does not offer that to me. I can argue this until I'm blue in the face with users here, but they will endlessly disagree. According to them, my OS shouldn't serve me how I see fit, but instead should serve Microsoft how they see fit.


There are plenty of other issues as well, such as Msoft's strong instance on using their default programs (try accidentally clicking a link on the lock screen wallpapers which mysteriously find their way onto your computer) and tell me if it doesn't open in edge. Edge isn't and never will be my default browser.


tl;dr it's not the gui at all. It's about control and who's 'top dawg' of my computer.

Quote " I can argue this until I'm blue in the face with users here, but they will endlessly disagree. According to them, my OS shouldn't serve me how I see fit, but instead should serve Microsoft how they see fit."

You can't argue let alone reason with stupid.

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10 will grow...it has to. What I'm saying is that if MS would cut out the BS that everyone hates there won't be nearly as much resistance, people hear/see that Windows forces things on you by default and it's probably easier to never try and stay on 7 than it is to work with 10. I really feel like MS is the reason their own API is still totally dormant. They made a great product with a bunch of strings attached by default, even if they revert the behavior I think a lot of people would STILL stay on 7 because first impressions are everything but it would be a start. I beta tested it so I was watching the poop hit the fan but it's not possible for a piece of software to be evil or care about what it's doing so I looked past the devs and chose to make it work on my own terms. I'm probably 1% of 1% that did that though.

They might stop supporting 7 but that won't stop anyone from using it anyway. People hate 10 because it forces updates, so not receiving them for 7 won't be a big deal I wouldn't think.
Linus posted an interesting video on Techquickie about MS's overbearing updates policy with Win10 that I think does a good job of explaining exactly WHY they have chosen to go this route, despite the endless amount of flak they have received for it:



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If they expand the Dx12 and keep adding on things who knows maybe I'll be able to turn on ray tracing in Metro Exodus on my Win 7 pc. Well maybe not. I have a couple other pcs on Win 10 but I hang on the Win 7 one because it's such an awesome OS or version of an OS, however you want to call it.
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Linus posted an interesting video on Techquickie about MS's overbearing updates policy with Win10 that I think does a good job of explaining exactly WHY they have chosen to go this route, despite the endless amount of flak they have received for it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SDjC5jklb3o&t
Yep, you/he are spot on BUT there are other things to consider. Instead of sending out any update wherever they could do it once weekly or even monthly unless there's some legit security issue, it should also be my choice to not update at all even if it's at the cost of security. But the updates while annoying are acceptable IMO, the real issues are (to name a few) nagging about OneDrive, ads in Explorer and OneDrive, bloatware or ads for bloatware that MS re-installs if you delete it, the installation of "recommended" apps from the MS store, the list goes on and on.
If they're going to have ads and a couple of the other things I just listed the OS needs to be free, ads aren't acceptable in paid software. I can concur that MS is trying to make sure the OS is as good as it can be and that to do so they need to manage the OS to some extent but when I allowed Windows to do this the updates were relentless, seemingly daily. There should be an option when installing Windows for "powerusers" (if that's the right word) so that you can have a more classic OS that you manage on your own. Checking this option could revoke any liability on MS.

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I dunno, Win10 has gained a LOT of momentum over the past couple years and it has surpassed Win7 to become the new leader in OS market share.
Windows 10 has only gotten so big because of the latest hardware advances. You can run a Ryzen platform on Win7(my bro does) but Windows will constantly bug the doodoo out of you with their update warning notification. It's so bad that whenever I fired up his system to play GTA V, the danged warning screen came up 3 times in 5 minutes. Several times ruining missions.

Grudgingly I purchased and installed 10 in Black Snow. I really hate 10 but the moment I got into it I peeled out 3/4 of the Start menu apps and put my own in there. First one to go was M$ store. I will not support them one time past the fee for the license.

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Windows 10 has only gotten so big because of the latest hardware advances. You can run a Ryzen platform on Win7(my bro does) but Windows will constantly bug the doodoo out of you with their update warning notification. It's so bad that whenever I fired up his system to play GTA V, the danged warning screen came up 3 times in 5 minutes. Several times ruining missions.

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I am still working out the new OS but it's slow going.

I am at a loss for words about DX12 and Win7. Too little too late considering they will no longer support Win7 at the end of the year.

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Lost count on how many times I've gotten (Setting on your computer don't power down) lol no internet connection so not sure what 10 is finally setting up

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Steam Survey shows lots of people will likely care.

Also, the WoW thing makes perfect sense. We @ OCN tend to forget the casual gamer, playing on an ancient machine caked in cigarette smoke, still leveling their Mohawk NightElf.

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