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post #51 of 86 (permalink) Old 03-20-2019, 08:30 AM
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Seems simple to disable
Not sure if nvidia would activate it by default wouldn't the game options be in charge of activating the feature for the user to agree too :/
Really depends how the game is coded. Since they are now saying, that even AMD cards can RT, they may hardcode it like PhsyX.

My theory would be a mix of both, I am sure there will be games that will have it a toggle and games that have it hard coded.

Nvidia will get Gameworks titles to hardcode it most likely, to make the 20** series a better upgrade.

However from the last gap, and the current price, plus the fact they had to add RT cores and barely performance gains. Personally am with the tech tubers, I don't think we are going to see 30** for a few years. So it may just be worth the upgrade.

If we assume the 50% hike is mostly profits, they are buying up a Stop gap, to deal with some no new card downtime.

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Seems like a game provider PR nightmare frankly enabling the feature by default

Which would you want to PO the few that have RTX or the many that don't

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Seems like a game provider PR nightmare frankly enabling the feature by default

Which would you want to PO the few that have RTX or the many that don't [IMG class=inlineimg]/forum/images/smilies/thinking.gif[/IMG]
Well the point is to get people to upgrade, so obviously the ones that don't have RTX lol?

Idk why it would PO anyone, RT will work on all cards, it's easier to hard code then to toggle, and Nvidia will give them perks for doing so.

Planned Obsolescence is a thing in the PC gaming world, nothing new.

Besides they said that all cards will now support basic Raytracing, and that demo shows a AMD card doing it. So there is no reason to not do it. Your card can run it, just not very well, if it hurts your FPS play at a lower resoloution, excepting new games to play perfectly with old hardware is foolish. Old games will have a toggle, new games, will begin to not. If it starts affecting you, it's time to upgrade.

Wanting the future held back, becuase you don't want to move with it, is kind of wrong don't you think?

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Nvidia RT requires 6GB VRAM and Pascal/Turing, it won't work on "all cards". Pascal introduced async compute , while Turing has concurrent float+int. Non-RTX Turing has improved FP16 (GTX 1660 Ti).


So essentially you have:
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Of course don't expect a smooth experience on the GTX 1060 6GB , GTX 1070 / GTX 1070 Ti remains to be benchmarked.


From AMD's implementation on Vega 56 I'd think that it is using FP16 or leveraging async compute advantages. If it's FP16 don't expect Polaris to do well at all.

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Wanting the future held back, becuase you don't want to move with it, is kind of wrong don't you think?
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No but I'm not as I expect quite a few others don't upgrade gpu's every year either, that in it's self is not reasonable rtx or not I do not live to feed NVidia.

Once fps tanks that is when gaming vendors will feel the PO effect

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No but I'm not as I expect quite a few others don't upgrade gpu's every year either, that in it's self is not reasonable rtx or not I do not live to feed NVidia.

Once fps tanks that is when gaming vendors will feel the PO effect
RTX lineup aka developer cards were never meant to be reasonable. The pricing is a clear indication. I'm glad the pleb cards finally get a taste of ray tracing no matter how badly it might run initially. RT marketing didnt work on gamers, but it sure worked well on the developers. Everyone is on the bandwagon.

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Wanting the future held back, becuase you don't want to move with it, is kind of wrong don't you think?
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No but I'm not as I expect quite a few others don't upgrade gpu's every year either, that in it's self is not reasonable rtx or not I do not live to feed NVidia.

Once fps tanks that is when gaming vendors will feel the PO effect [IMG class=inlineimg]/forum/images/smilies/smile.gif[/IMG]
Well first off launch of 10** and launch of RTX was 2 years apart, not a year.

Secondly, it will likely be another year, before games with Hardcoded RT are a thing, even then they will be few and far between.

So I don't feel bad, that after 3/4 years you don't want to upgrade your GPU.

And you won't even need too, you can either A. Not play those games, or B. Turn the settings / Resoloution down.

Sorry the industry doesn't stop because you bought a product, and want it to work forever. Move with it, or work in your means, those are your options.

They already feel the PO effect, do you not look at the Miniums for alot of new games on release? They are usually current Gen, or at least last gen, mid range cards.

Consoles do the same thing. They come out with refreshes, and old games either do not play or play like crap, then they come out with a brand new console right after that, to render all the games you bought useless.

That's just the world man, it's life, pay the cost, or deal with the downsides.

Besides all that, I am sure that a 1080ti, or maybe even a 1080, will be able to play most of the RT locked games fine. Are you going to be able to max the settings? Probably not, and you shouldn't be able to anyway. If you want to max the settings out, you need alot of the newest tech.

If a 300 dollar single GPU, can max the settings at 4k at above 60fps, or even at 60, in a new game, than what did I pay 2400 for for SLIed 2080tis? The new game has to push the newest best hardware, to it's limits, that's just life.

If you don't want to upgrade Every year, and have the best. Then don't, but don't cry when the new games, work with the Best, Best...

Oh and RTX even with it's high price is actually kind of worth it, when you take into account that rumor has it from knowledgeable sources, that 30** won't hit shelves till 2020/2021, so once again, we have 2 years between cards, however this time I think Nvidia planned it, and raised prices to make up for it.

I am completely fine with a 30-50% price hike, and removing the Tock, so now it's 2 years or more between refreshes, with better gains each time.

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Can normal DXR utlize RT cores. Or are RT cores only specialized to handle RTX features.

I would imagine Nvidia will write the drivers to schedule RT operations on the RT cores in all ray trace APIs.

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I guess people with 1080ti's in SLI, running a game that is very well optimized for SLI, MIGHT have a chance at playing with limited DXR features at a framerate that is within the realm of playability (30fps). Anything less than that kind of GPU horsepower sounds like it will be a slideshow.

Here's what should have been done by Nvidia

1. Before the RTX launch, release drivers to the GTX cards for DXR support
2. Push Developers hard to have at least a few games, or even at the very least demos, with DXR support ready to go before the launch of RTX
3. Let everyone with a Pascal card see firsthand how horrible those cards are at running DXR
4. Hype the Tensor and RT cores abilities and release the RTX cards

Nvidia literally did everything ass backwards.

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I guess people with 1080ti's in SLI, running a game that is very well optimized for SLI, MIGHT have a chance at playing with limited DXR features at a framerate that is within the realm of playability (30fps). Anything less than that kind of GPU horsepower sounds like it will be a slideshow.

Here's what should have been done by Nvidia

1. Before the RTX launch, release drivers to the GTX cards for DXR support
2. Push Developers hard to have at least a few games, or even at the very least demos, with DXR support ready to go before the launch of RTX
3. Let everyone with a Pascal card see firsthand how horrible those cards are at running DXR
4. Hype the Tensor cores abilities and release the RTX cards

Nvidia literally did everything ass backwards.
I think that's the problem here. Is people are thinking frames will be cut that hard. They won't.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.tec...-battlefield-v

Titan V averaged 56 FPS on maxed BFV with Max RT on. The 2080TI beat it by 30 or so FPS but both are playable.

Now if you want to play maxed, with 4k, and 144fps, then don't complain when you refuse to upgrade.

And if you buy a 200 dollar 1060, don't expect it to still be viable with new games 3 years later.

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