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post #11 of 57 (permalink) Old 05-07-2019, 11:12 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted by WannaBeOCer View Post
They're also using the kernel for Azure Sphere and hopefully not in the too far distant future a Windows Linux based desktop OS.

Then why ever use any Windows OS again, if they're moving on over to a far superior OS system (forsaking their current rubbish creation) ?

Best stick with what's available today, for any Linux User.
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post #12 of 57 (permalink) Old 05-08-2019, 05:14 AM
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They're also using the kernel for Azure Sphere and hopefully not in the too far distant future a Windows Linux based desktop OS.
I honestly don't think this will ever happen, linux kernel is GPL, it would taint a lot of the windows source code forcing MS to release a ton of it into the OSS world. with them doing i this way, this only forces them to release the work they are doing for WSL and occasional throw us a bone like the the new terminal app and i believe they open sourced the source code to the calculator app. so them making a windows/linux hybrid will be unlikely. i could be wrong, but right now wsl is a very small part of windows.

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I think this is far enough, they don't need to make some Linux/Windows hybrid.

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That's correct, this is a step in the right direction. Windows Subsystem for Linux 1 was emulating a Linux kernel. With an actual Linux kernel it will improve filesystem I/O performance, Linux compatibility and actually run docker natively.

They're also using the kernel for Azure Sphere and hopefully not in the too far distant future a Windows Linux based desktop OS.

More info regarding WSL 1: https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/wsl...mtfjov2nassr00


WSL 2: https://devblogs.microsoft.com/comma...ouncing-wsl-2/
Yep, plus it very nice to hook Bash Shell into VSCode. Way better than fooling with Cygwin as well.
The other issue with the first WSL is it was stuck using NTFS which made WSL be slower than a traditional Linux VM environment.

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Quote: Originally Posted by WannaBeOCer View Post
That's correct, this is a step in the right direction. Windows Subsystem for Linux 1 was emulating a Linux kernel. With an actual Linux kernel it will improve filesystem I/O performance, Linux compatibility and actually run docker natively.

They're also using the kernel for Azure Sphere and hopefully not in the too far distant future a Windows Linux based desktop OS.

More info regarding WSL 1: https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/wsl...mtfjov2nassr00


WSL 2: https://devblogs.microsoft.com/comma...ouncing-wsl-2/
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Quote: Originally Posted by WannaBeOCer View Post
That's correct, this is a step in the right direction. Windows Subsystem for Linux 1 was emulating a Linux kernel. With an actual Linux kernel it will improve filesystem I/O performance, Linux compatibility and actually run docker natively.

They're also using the kernel for Azure Sphere and hopefully not in the too far distant future a Windows Linux based desktop OS.

More info regarding WSL 1: https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/wsl...mtfjov2nassr00


WSL 2: https://devblogs.microsoft.com/comma...ouncing-wsl-2/
Or this is secretly a move to make Windows more server focused and slowly transition away from windows as a consumer desktop OS because they see more of a future in cloud/enterprise paas while mobile eats their lunch.

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I know... i know let me put on my tin foil hat....

There is something nefarious here... They have a reason to do this and it won't be fore the good of us consumers....

I suspect possibly something more akin to more telemetry and invasion but now with linux. I'll wait a while and see what news comes out of this. *taps fingers on desk*
The most obvious reason for this is the same as Google - why code a kernel when you could just snag an open source one and bolt a proprietary layer on top(ie, Android)? I used to think that Linux would free us from big tech like MS and then I realized that open source is available to them, too, if they are willing. Ballmer would never have allowed this, but he's not in charge any more. The guy currently in charge has changed the MS strategy, it's no longer EMBRACE, EXTEND, EXTINGUISH. It's now EMBRACE, EXTEND, ENTRAP, EXPLOIT.

For the time being we still have some freedom with Linux and Purism is poised to provide the first truly freedom/privacy respecting smart phone platform with the Librem 5, and now freedom/privacy respecting services with Librem.one, but like the phone I expect all of it to remain a niche. With Proton + DXVK getting better and better seemingly every other week, GIMP/Blender/Kdenlive/etc all becoming good enough to wean people off the Windows counterparts, Linux is on the way to eating Microsoft marketshare and I fully expect that it will surpass Apple within a decade..... and so does Microsoft which is why they are doing this.



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Let me guess. You can only get this, by using the 1809 (or 1903) Windows 10 release.

It will only work on 1903 and later. It's not even available to Insiders yet I don't think. I'm stuck on 1709 so I still have many of the early bugs in WSL

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I know... i know let me put on my tin foil hat....

There is something nefarious here... They have a reason to do this and it won't be fore the good of us consumers....

I suspect possibly something more akin to more telemetry and invasion but now with linux. I'll wait a while and see what news comes out of this. *taps fingers on desk*

It's for developers. Almost nobody else is going to benefit from this. WSL makes development on Windows somewhat tolerable, especially if you rely on open source tools that are developed by people who don't even own a Windows machine. These tools often have an entire backlog of Windows-specific bugs, and the performance is somewhere between bad and abysmal.


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Microsoft's only reason for this is to increase Windows 10's user numbers by getting Linux users and dual booters, mainly developers, to switch to Windows full time, which gives the impression that Linux's market share is higher or gaining faster than people realize for MS to spend the effort.
Yes, I'm so curious how they plan to address the `/` vs `\` debacle in file pathing. It's literally the reason I can't code on windows.


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Quote: Originally Posted by WannaBeOCer View Post
That's correct, this is a step in the right direction. Windows Subsystem for Linux 1 was emulating a Linux kernel. With an actual Linux kernel it will improve filesystem I/O performance, Linux compatibility and actually run docker natively.

They're also using the kernel for Azure Sphere and hopefully not in the too far distant future a Windows Linux based desktop OS.

More info regarding WSL 1: https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/wsl...mtfjov2nassr00


WSL 2: https://devblogs.microsoft.com/comma...ouncing-wsl-2/
I've been waiting for this to happen ever since they open sourced .NET and started shipping WSL. The next logical step after releasing .NET Core 3.0 will be to marry the UWP UI in Windows 10 to a Linux Kernel, probably close to the release window of .NET 5.
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