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post #51 of 64 (permalink) Old 05-17-2019, 06:38 AM
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post #52 of 64 (permalink) Old 05-17-2019, 06:39 AM - Thread Starter
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Quote: Originally Posted by NightAntilli View Post
The whole point of AMD's x64 was to allow 64 bit to work with existing x86 instruction set. All 64-bit implementations before it were completely separate and incompatible with the x86 architecture. Without AMD, we wouldn't be running 32-bit programs on 64-bit windows or 64-bit CPUs for that matter.
Exactly what I said previously and the person who pushed it was Microsoft.

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He's actually kinda right, they don't really have their own complete software ecosystem.

...Instead they contribute quite a lot to the open source ecosystem that combines the resources of quite a large amount of companies and fits in with what software AMD does have, however, and I'd personally regard that as a vastly superior option to "Here's a bunch of proprietary stuff that only works on our products, and would die off in an instant from this business model if we didn't have such a large marketshare" especially as the open source route leads to benefits for everyone (eg. Vulkan, Valve's Linux push leading to some extra optimisations for nVidia's Windows drivers, etc) rather than it always having to be a huge benefit for the company that made it.

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A joint development is somehow a HP development? Again only reason AMD64 took off was because Microsoft pushed it AMD most likely since they didn't want to develop a native 64 bit OS. Point is 64 bit processors were around before AMD64.
It was more because Itanium was kinda crappy for normal CPU tasks when it came down to it. It was designed to be very wide, which is an area that mostly applies to calculating 3D graphics, supercomputers and server, hence why its name was "Explicitly Parallel Instruction Computing" and it was very similar to a more traditional VLIW design. (Which is what AMDs GPUs used for quite a long while, too...kinda showing that it's more suited to the type of tasks that we'd run on GPGPU today, than normal CPU style roles.)

That's not to say MS didn't play any role in it at all, it's just that if it was purely MS then that'd only explain why there's no desktops running IA-64 which wasn't ever really its main market, given that the main market that it was aimed at tends to make use of unix more than Windows...an area where IA-64 still sees support to this day. The only reason Intel ever considered pushing IA-64 to the desktop was because they wanted to try and remove any competitors that could make CPUs that can run compatible code, but they stopped that pretty quickly when AMD announced AMD64 because it was pretty obvious that was going to ensure x86 stuck around.

...and I feel like its worth noting that Itanium wasn't Intels first stab at this type of architecture, the i860 was straight up VLIW and it failed for the same reasons as Itanium did: Great theoretical performance, but a lot of workloads either couldn't get to that level or required much more optimisation than a traditional CISC or RISC CPU would. (Hell, one of the more notable uses of the i860 was as the Geometry Engine in one of those earlier SGI workstations.)

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Exactly what I said previously and the person who pushed it was Microsoft.
If AMD's implementation got any foothold was because Linux was really fast to embrace it.

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post #55 of 64 (permalink) Old 05-18-2019, 10:12 AM
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If AMD's implementation got any foothold was because Linux was really fast to embrace it.
Yeah lets not forget how bad M$ first 64-bit OS was either *cough cough* XP 64-bit. Okay, maybe it wasn’t as bad as people would make it out to be, but it lacked any real sorta usefulness because 90% of the preloaded stuff was still in 32-bit. 64 bit computing didn’t really gain traction until Vista and 7 at least in the windows marketshare, and Vista was also a complete backfire too until SP2, mainly because none of the hardware could really run it reliably that was affordable (P4/PD) on Intel and the Pentium killer Athlon’s from AMD and wasn’t until Phenom II and C2D/C2Q that it could, but by then people had already either moved to 7 or just stayed on XP 32-bit, which the latter is why we saw stagnation for so long. And the former is why we don’t see more games making full use of DX12, because a majority of the market is staying on an OS locked to DX11, not that I blame them because a lot of the things in Windows 10 leave a lot to be desired.

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Quote: Originally Posted by TwilightRavens View Post
Yeah lets not forget how bad M$ first 64-bit OS was either *cough cough* XP 64-bit.

Still have a functional XP 64bit installed on a LanParty kit, simply Perfection.

Runs far quicker than the rubbish coming out of Redmond TODAY, hence please stop the misinformation and ignorance relating to the only decent 64bit install, ever created by this ignorant company.

That was when 'data mining' and 'key-logging' was internationally illegal under every Country's jurisdiction.
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Still have a functional XP 64bit installed on a LanParty kit, simply Perfection.

Runs far quicker than the rubbish coming out of Redmond TODAY, hence please stop the misinformation and ignorance relating to the only decent 64bit install, ever created by this ignorant company.

That was when 'data mining' and 'key-logging' was internationally illegal under every Country's jurisdiction.
Yes, Win 10 64 bit is now slower than Win XP 64 bit. What a world we live in.


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speaking of windows xp, To date it is still my all time favorite OS ever. It looked cool, ran smooth as butter even on my old pentium 3 733MHz and let's not forget it introduced DX9. even the 64-bit version was fast, driver issues aside.

honestly i keep secretly hoping for a windows XP 2.0

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honestly i keep secretly hoping for a windows XP 2.0
If that had ever occurred in REAL Life, watch Millions switch on over from Trojan 10 to try a superior OS that doesn't track or follow you EVER.

Would be a totally new concept for the 21st Century here. Building an OS that will NEVER key-log, track or spy upon you when you use their Operating System.

I know the Linux realm would stand up here promoting their OS system but they are moving into the Windows area of spying and tracking users already. Hence even the Nix OS system is slowly following Redmond into that horrid area of self annihilation.
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Yeah lets not forget how bad M$ first 64-bit OS was either *cough cough* XP 64-bit. Okay, maybe it wasn’t as bad as people would make it out to be, but it lacked any real sorta usefulness because 90% of the preloaded stuff was still in 32-bit. 64 bit computing didn’t really gain traction until Vista and 7 at least in the windows marketshare, and Vista was also a complete backfire too until SP2, mainly because none of the hardware could really run it reliably that was affordable (P4/PD) on Intel and the Pentium killer Athlon’s from AMD and wasn’t until Phenom II and C2D/C2Q that it could, but by then people had already either moved to 7 or just stayed on XP 32-bit, which the latter is why we saw stagnation for so long. And the former is why we don’t see more games making full use of DX12, because a majority of the market is staying on an OS locked to DX11, not that I blame them because a lot of the things in Windows 10 leave a lot to be desired.
Besides getting certain drivers (especially early on) it was "fine". Pretty sure I still have that disc floating around in a drawer. Although just about any OS looks good compared to ME which I also had for a time.

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