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[Forbes] It's Time To Pay Attention To Intel's Clear Linux OS Project

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Intel's Clear Linux Project has been on my radar for months, mainly because of its sheer dominance over traditional Linux distributions -- and often Windows -- when it comes to performance. From time to time I check in on the latest Phoronix benchmarks and think to myself "I really need to install that." Up until recently though, the installer for Clear Linux was anything but intuitive for the average user. It also looked considerably dated. Version 2.0 gives the installer a complete overhaul.
I agree that it was dated but the old installer was intuitive for anyone that can read and use arrow keys but nowadays people need a pretty GUI to navigate.

I've had no issues getting Steam Play and Lutris working along with the latest 19.2 dev mesa drivers. They are working on a Flatpak for Lutris which I haven't had any issues with even though it's not in beta yet. https://github.com/flathub/flathub/pull/926

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Quote: Originally Posted by Imouto View Post
**** any non agnostic Linux distribution.
Ryzen and Threadripper also benefit from the tweaks in Clear Linux. Solus is kind of a fork off of Clear Linux as-well.

https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?pa...ux-10way&num=4
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None of the performance tests of Clear linux are ever done against Gentoo, which allows for compiling of all software to be optimized for your hardware.

Everything on my Gentoo desktop is compiled specifically for Ryzen using -march=znver1 CFLAGS and CPU_FLAGS_X86="aes avx avx2 f16c fma3 mmx mmxext pclmul popcnt sse sse2 sse3 sse4_1 sse4_2 sse4a ssse3"

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Quote: Originally Posted by Diffident View Post
None of the performance tests of Clear linux are ever done against Gentoo, which allows for compiling of all software to be optimized for your hardware.

Everything on my Gentoo desktop is compiled specifically for Ryzen using -march=znver1 CFLAGS and CPU_FLAGS_X86="aes avx avx2 f16c fma3 mmx mmxext pclmul popcnt sse sse2 sse3 sse4_1 sse4_2 sse4a ssse3"
Phoronix did a while back, you just haven't looked hard enough but would you be able to test both with your Gentoo setup?

https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?pa...day-2017&num=1

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Phoronix did a while back, you just haven't looked hard enough but would you be able to test both with your Gentoo setup?

https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?pa...day-2017&num=1

The problem with that test using Gentoo is, it's a generic image, not fine tuned to the machine running it. The test shows the Gentoo machine using Linux 4.12 kernel and GCC 5.4 while the Clear Linux machine is using Linux 4.13.12 and GCC 7.2.1.


One of the main benefits of Gentoo is the fine tuning, which obviously wasn't done. The Clear Linux tests show that it uses better default settings than most other distros. Gentoo has no default setting. You compile the kernel, you compile the software, all based on settings you pick yourself. There would be nothing to stop a user from using the same optimizations that Clear Linux uses on Gentoo. Gentoo would be the best distro to accomplish that.


I guess it's possible for me to test for myself, I have a spare NVME drive I could install Clear Linux but I don't really have the time or the experience in benchmarking. Since I heard about Clear Linux, I hoped a professional would test it against a proper Gentoo install.

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Quote: Originally Posted by Diffident View Post
The problem with that test using Gentoo is, it's a generic image, not fine tuned to the machine running it. The test shows the Gentoo machine using Linux 4.12 kernel and GCC 5.4 while the Clear Linux machine is using Linux 4.13.12 and GCC 7.2.1.


One of the main benefits of Gentoo is the fine tuning, which obviously wasn't done. The Clear Linux tests show that it uses better default settings than most other distros. Gentoo has no default setting. You compile the kernel, you compile the software, all based on settings you pick yourself. There would be nothing to stop a user from using the same optimizations that Clear Linux uses on Gentoo. Gentoo would be the best distro to accomplish that.


I guess it's possible for me to test for myself, I have a spare NVME drive I could install Clear Linux but I don't really have the time or the experience in benchmarking. Since I heard about Clear Linux, I hoped a professional would test it against a proper Gentoo install.
Phoronix has an awesome test sweet you can use to bench both.

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The problem with that test using Gentoo is, it's a generic image, not fine tuned to the machine running it. The test shows the Gentoo machine using Linux 4.12 kernel and GCC 5.4 while the Clear Linux machine is using Linux 4.13.12 and GCC 7.2.1.


One of the main benefits of Gentoo is the fine tuning, which obviously wasn't done. The Clear Linux tests show that it uses better default settings than most other distros. Gentoo has no default setting. You compile the kernel, you compile the software, all based on settings you pick yourself. There would be nothing to stop a user from using the same optimizations that Clear Linux uses on Gentoo. Gentoo would be the best distro to accomplish that.


I guess it's possible for me to test for myself, I have a spare NVME drive I could install Clear Linux but I don't really have the time or the experience in benchmarking. Since I heard about Clear Linux, I hoped a professional would test it against a proper Gentoo install.
I am not sure it matters in the overall grand scheme of things. When people bench mark windows they don't call out the testers and say hey you didn't fine tune everything to that machine or make all the reg mods required to actually juice performance out of that ms-virus. They just do it as general setup

The story here is its easier for the non experts to saturate the Linux space with their newbness and do so with descent performance. I like Gentoo. I thought it was a great distro. I do not see an everyday non power user suffering through its install process or trying to maintain the painful process of updating the system with portage which is probably the best package manager of em all but that is besides the point. As a seasoned user I switched to Arch. which, I can do all the stuff you do in Gentoo and make all the same configuration changes and optimize the distro for my machine directly but so can Clear Linux and Centos and DSL and Slackware and $linux_distro_choice .

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