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post #11 of 14 (permalink) Old 06-14-2019, 11:33 PM
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It might look like that but it has a few thing going on. Through the years AMD has tried many times to get market share by undercutting Nvidia in perf/$, but that didn't work for them. They have decided they don't care as much about market share and Lisa wants to make more money with Navi. It also does looks like to me that they are trying to bait Nvidia into a price war. With the margins they have, Navi could be 100$ cheaper.
On the other side the CPU division is doing great witch could translate in more GPU sale. More people will thing that they probably have good GPU because they have a good CPU.

The thing I don't like about Navi is that RDNA will be the main architecture for the next years. They have architecture that is on 7nm and draws more power then Turing for the same performance. RDNA should be scalable, but I don't see how they will get performance in the future if they already are using so much power. They also can't make radical changes because they have to keep compatibility with GCN because of the consoles.
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such a minute issue... you should be looking at it like this. Navi is AMD's 680.

7970 was $550-$600 at release... 5700 on the 4x more expensive node (+ a decade later) is $550 dollars at release. Honestly, y'all are just scratching for any little thing to cry about at this point. It could'a been a $450 2080ti n y'all still would'a cried.

7970 was the best possible thing AMD could make for 5 years, Navi is the first taste, at the mid range, of AMD's new arch...

I assume PS5 isn't being built on this node? seems way too expensive for a $500 box.

not to mention the cold hard fact this card will be $450 or less with 5-10 free games within the year. This price will only stick until Nvidia Stuper comes out.
I'm aware of the points raised and I owned the 7970 x2 day one and 290x x2 and vega 64 x1 (too many watts for crossfire) so i'm no hater of AMD but I won't follow blindly either. However their products do not exist in a bubble. It's just not fast enough for the price and the power consumption, looks like big navi will be another vega 64. Even with a price drop it is just not very interesting.

I'm happy AMD are launching something but it just isn't good enough. I was hoping to put something with an x570 build this year but I'll have to go Ngreedia. Never thought I'd say it but we need Intel in this space.

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You will definitely pay more with ngreedia for? what? ...... just curious...... you need a 2080ti you are saying? First Navi to be mid was clear by at least six months....navi top has been delayed for whatever reason and we have the amd version of the 680 in three weeks, has already someone noted.....that's why you have "high" (225tdp means 200w on average which is the average power consumption for a decent gpu since 2011 at least......) power consumption....they fullfilled the littl egpu on frequencies to get the extra performance at default that they needed.....and I'm sure there is still be a lot of juice to squeeze from it.....ddr6 and 64 amd rops will be fun to tune....

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These features look interesting.

Im mostly interested in anti-lag, if it actually makes difference over just adjusting flip queue size. Great thing is i should get it on my rx 480 when driver comes, im not buying navi with these prices.

Image sharpening also looks good on their slides, but i have seen sharpening effects that look bad so will see later if its actually good.

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I'm aware of the points raised and I owned the 7970 x2 day one and 290x x2 and vega 64 x1 (too many watts for crossfire) so i'm no hater of AMD but I won't follow blindly either. However their products do not exist in a bubble. It's just not fast enough for the price and the power consumption, looks like big navi will be another vega 64. Even with a price drop it is just not very interesting.

I'm happy AMD are launching something but it just isn't good enough. I was hoping to put something with an x570 build this year but I'll have to go Ngreedia. Never thought I'd say it but we need Intel in this space.
intel's only gonna be competing in the small n mid size chip market, so I guess then at least someone will compete with AMD.

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