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post #11 of 66 (permalink) Old 07-15-2019, 10:35 AM
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Like probably everyone else, I never understood why publishers were so keen on putting DRM, impacting the performance of their games.
Because people making these decisions have no idea what's going on. They only see stats like "XX amount of copies were pirated in YY year, which means piracy costed us XX amount of sales."
It's a very shortsighted view.

There are not many developers I know who like DRM, it's always the publishers. In fact, devs straight up hate DRM as well. They work hard on the games they make only to see it have performance issues, get negative feedback from fans and such. Of course, they publicly can't really express that to the people.

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I think denuvo has given an opportunity to answer some long standing questions about video games piracy and DRMs. Most games sell in the first few weeks, max 1 month. Denuvo has had quite a bit of success at holding off crackers for time periods close to one month. So, we should have enough information to do a decent study about how DRMs affect sales. Has sales gone up due to Denuvo?

If the answer is no. Then we should get rid of DRM altogether.

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If the answer is no, wouldn't you then need to ask if sales have gone down due to Denuvo?

A solution isn't worthless simply because the solution doesn't completely solve the problem. If a house catches fire in your neighborhood you would want the fire department to save what they can right? There would be a lot of unhappy people if the fire department said "Well we can save every house so we might as well go home".

I have little doubt in my mind that pirated copies would increase quite a bit if all DRM was removed from games.

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Quote: Originally Posted by dantoddd View Post
I think denuvo has given an opportunity to answer some long standing questions about video games piracy and DRMs. Most games sell in the first few weeks, max 1 month. Denuvo has had quite a bit of success at holding off crackers for time periods close to one month. So, we should have enough information to do a decent study about how DRMs affect sales. Has sales gone up due to Denuvo?

If the answer is no. Then we should get rid of DRM altogether.

Only when a new version of Denuvo comes out does it hold cracks off for a month or more. Then it gets craked and all games are then cracked within a day to a week of launch. A year later we get a new version of the cycle repeats.

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Denuvo works.

When a game releases, it gets a lot of free press via reviews and all that. With all that free press, interest in the game goes up and if during this time there is no piracy option, more people will buy it.

The goal of Denuvo is not to block piracy completely, they know that wouldn't work. It's just to allow games to get a decent windows period of piracy free sales in before it gets cracked.

It's not a popular opinion but it works, and I find it to be a good compromise between other methods. Always online game requirements are too far and no DRM is nice but not many big games can get away with that. Denuvo at least gives the game some time to sell before pirates get to it, but also inevitably is always cracked. Devs/publishers should have at least a month or two of pure sales before piracy gets mixed in.

I can't even remember the last time I pirated a game but if there was a game I was really on the fence about, I might pirate it and buy it later if I liked it. To me the main appeal for piracy has just been to try out games that don't have demos. I grew up in the age when we could rent games so having no ability to try a game before buying it is pretty lame.

Just a funny thought, I pirated skyrim back in the day because I had never played an elder scrolls game so had no idea if I would like it. I definitely liked it and ended up buying it, but I kept playing on my pirated version because I was afraid my save would get messed up if I tried to transfer it over. Eventually I switched over to the legit version but I spent waaaaay more time in the pirated version even after buying it.

And as was already said, I was young and poor once but not anymore. Seems to me the vast majority of people who pirate games are those who couldn't or wouldn't buy them. I would have never tried skyrim if I could not pirate it and thus I would never have bought it either.

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It has been proven that 'piracy' increases sales as most people who pirate a game/film/song/book wouldn't have played it in the first place

The word piracy is hilarious as it's not the person who downloads the content without paying who is the pirate but the mega corporations who hold us hostage as piracy is the control of the means of distribution and no pirate is greater than M$py.

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It has been proven that 'piracy' increases sales as most people who pirate a game/film/song/book wouldn't have played it in the first place

The word piracy is hilarious as it's not the person who downloads the content without paying who is the pirate but the mega corporations who hold us hostage as piracy is the control of the means of distribution and no pirate is greater than M$py.
This is said over and over but never proven. Any source on that info? I don't want to defend drm but I'll defend reality.

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This is said over and over but never proven. Any source on that info? I don't want to defend drm but I'll defend reality.
There have been studies proving this but I will not post them, the mods don't like them that much.

As for reality: corporate reality (propaganda and lies) and true reality are not one and the same.

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Dunno if it is related but here in Spain we are supposed to have a very high piracy rate but we have one of the highest legit media consumption too.

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