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post #41 of 58 (permalink) Old 08-17-2019, 12:46 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted by dagget3450 View Post
While everyone is pushing some level of narrative, what exactly in this case would need to be manipulated? videos editing? Deepfaked? I mean unless hes editing every single word to make sentences according to his narrative how is it being spun? Lets say you watched the video right, with an objective unbiased mindset. The video with the higher ups actually say very specific things. If your looking at this through a filter of a "one side or other side mentality"(trying to not bring politics esp party names into it) Maybe that's why, i mean maybe i try to imagine it reversed(both sides). What if this was the current administrations narrative how would this be any better of a thing. If they were pushing to use google for the same purposes. I would not want either to do this myself but that's my opinion.
Selective omission. That's what the guy does. There have been at least 2 other instances of it that I can think of off the top of my head. (ACORN and "fetus sales" or whatever).


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The whole no politics thing needs to die already. We are people and you want talk, debate and discussion, yes even on a tech forum. If I cannot talk with my fellow peers and correct my view, or correct theirs, we live in a sanitized world meant for babies. How about just lock the thread once people become nasty to violate those rules? Politics and tech intersect, specifically in this case.

No matter what side your on, this is bad. yes its only a lot of conservatives getting banned or buried by algos, for now, but one day a repub might be in charge of google or company xyz, you really wanna see what they do when the tables are turned? This is not a good path to go down.

News should report exactly what happened and leave their opinions out, and search engines should just pull results based on the exact string searched, not the slant you wanna put on it.
And right here is why we can't do that and have nice things:

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BS. ACORN was defunded because of Okeefe's lies. ACORN did not break any laws but was broken up because of a republicon witch hunt. Their main offense was their voter registration drives. That had to be stopped!


It's like when China bankrupted Solyndra all of you oh so patriotic republicons were cheering for China! Just like now you are cheering for russia. Have you seen the news about how you republicons blocked the FEC from investigating russian money in the NRA (National Russian Association)?
Some people just get too militant about their favorite political teams and ruin it for the rest of us.


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Quote: Originally Posted by ttnuagmada View Post
Selective omission. That's what the guy does. There have been at least 2 other instances of it that I can think of off the top of my head. (ACORN and "fetus sales" or whatever).
He releases raw footage as well, if you have the energy to watch as some are hours long. https://www.youtube.com/user/veritas...tage+un+edited

Not sure who is being called a party name here but myself i am not registered for either main party(US). I think they are both full of it and actually are more and the same if you take a close look. Only reason i am paying attention to this is the censorship. People are way to invested in the party vs party, divide and conquer.

Russia collusion vs Deepstate theories - both are hot air it seems like, because i hear a bunch of talk and nothing gets done. (example)

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I take it that you have no concept of what "free speech" actually is?
I'm not saying I agree with the free speech argument, but it's certainly something that IG Metall will try to prove to leverage their union position against google, aka "The Clock is Ticking". There are more users than people who support the platform, so it's likely more people are sympathetic to users and agree with them. Google's own psychological paper suggests that if people become aware of algorithmic adjustments, they will be less likely to use the service.

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Purposeful censorship of results on any platform is undesirable and if such censorship should be taking place then it either is because of a law or user's preference. For many things Google is not a good search engine/site anymore because it filters way too much based on what it wants or what other's have paid it to filter out.
I'd argue that there has to be a limit. You don't want kids content with random terrible images thrown into it all over youtube. That's the kind of stuff they actively need to eliminate. There is a line, but Alphabet has definitely crossed it. Typically a large company would pay some fines and move on, but Trump will likely take it as an attack on his presidency. I don't think Alphabet survives this. The real question, does it matter if they break up Alphabet if they don't change the project managers?

Search engines will always be bias. Look at the source to understand the story.

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The whole no politics thing needs to die already. We are people and you want talk, debate and discussion, yes even on a tech forum. If I cannot talk with my fellow peers and correct my view, or correct theirs, we live in a sanitized world meant for babies. How about just lock the thread once people become nasty to violate those rules? Politics and tech intersect, specifically in this case.

No matter what side your on, this is bad. yes its only a lot of conservatives getting banned or buried by algos, for now, but one day a repub might be in charge of google or company xyz, you really wanna see what they do when the tables are turned? This is not a good path to go down.

News should report exactly what happened and leave their opinions out, and search engines should just pull results based on the exact string searched, not the slant you wanna put on it.
I agree wholeheartedly with this^

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I really don't like the idea of my information being filtered into a bunch of half truths.
I am registered with a party, but my beef with this seems pretty party independent..

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All these large companies are clearly leaning politically and only one direction
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This is going to be hard to keep politics out of. That said if people can leave branding of a group and try to watch this and be objective. This guy who was making 200+k a year threw that away for a hoax and BS? I don't think so.. The cops part is rather eye opening also.

Also, i keep my temp/cookies/browser history off and Youtube is totally botching it's recommendation feeds. For instance when i click to watch this video, the whole right side column is all Fauxnews and CNN..... Anytime i watch a youtube video it's doing this - They have broken not only the search engine but also youtube among many things. Most of this stuff is easily replicated with simple search terms....
Sorry but no. This company lost any and all respect and benefit of the doubt since their last couple of absolutely insane stunts. Since I can't mention politics I'll leave you to the googling, or duckduckgo if you prefer.

If you want to be taken seriously you could have gone literally anywhere else, sorry but you look like a loon. (You being the self proclaimed whistle blower in the video.)

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Have you given DuckDuckGo a shot? It's been working well for me, reminds me of pre-2008 google search results.

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Thanks! Switched everything to DuckDuckGo. DuckDuckGo stated that they don't keep tabs or sell any info (ok, sure).

I suggest everyone start abandoning Google and their products. That goes for YouTube as well. Many have switched but still keeping one foot in YT waiting for the shoe to drop.

Sensorship and swaying opinion by Google corp, especially when there is so many normies out there that have no idea they are being brainwashed, is not good for free society as a whole. The government either has to break Google up or we take it upon ourselves to starve them out of business.

Tell everyone you know to switch to DuckDuckGo and abandon other Google products, platforms and services.

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Thanks! Switched everything to DuckDuckGo. DuckDuckGo stated that they don't keep tabs or sell any info (ok, sure).

I suggest everyone start abandoning Google and their products. That goes for YouTube as well. Many have switched but still keeping one foot in YT waiting for the shoe to drop.

Sensorship and swaying opinion by Google corp, especially when there is so many normies out there that have no idea they are being brainwashed, is not good for free society as a whole. The government either has to break Google up or we take it upon ourselves to starve them out of business.

Tell everyone you know to switch to DuckDuckGo and abandon other Google products, platforms and services.
I'm sure you're going to stop watching/reading the news, and listening to the radio too then right?

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