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I have a question for you.

Have you tried using "Vega64softpowerplayeditor" (note: this requires the driver "gtk-sharp-2.12.45.msi" for .NET be installed first) and tried copying the exact values the Air Bios uses for all the fields (flash the original Air bios on the other bios switch, then reinstall the current driver, I assume--I don't know if the driver has to be reinstalled or not (with or without Wagnard's DDU), saving them in a text file somewhere, and then loading up the LC Bios and comparing the values that are different? (Not just the voltage limit, power limit (or TDC limits) and temp limit changes?)

Then, have you tried changing the values exposed in the LC Bios to match all of the Air Bios settings, to see if the performance suddenly becomes "normal" again?
Note that you have to restart the driver after any registry entry merge that the editor gives you.

If the performance suddenly becomes normal again, but you find your LC bios is performing exactly like an air bios now, then try changing 'back' one value at a time until you find out what "breaks" it.

You can use ToastyX's driver restarter in the CRU package to avoid rebooting.
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No. I have not, in fact this is the first time that I have heard of all this. Except CRU. I use that religiously for monitor OC and freesync editing. Is there some sort of blow by blow guide I can follow for this.

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No. I have not, in fact this is the first time that I have heard of all this. Except CRU. I use that religiously for monitor OC and freesync editing. Is there some sort of blow by blow guide I can follow for this.
You'd have to search. I simply used it to change the GPU temperature limit and HBM limit (90C and 100C from 85C and 95C---no idea if that works even though MSI Afterburner shows the new temp limit) and the Power Limits (that does work) and TDC limit and the power limit slider range.

Buildzoid made a video on how to make your own powerplay reg table (to increase power and TDC limits) by editing a base vega64 table, but that was without using softpowerplaytable.

The hard part is getting a reg file.

I believe this is the 'stock' reg file for vega 64 aircooled (reference). I simply created it from someone else's post where they listed the reg entries (had to line up some \'s because they messed up so badly it didnt even work).

I don't have one for the LC bios.

This can be opened in vega64softpowerplaytable.

Remember you need that .NET MSI installer I linked the name of for this program to even open.
I can't attach " gtk-sharp-2.12.45.msi". You're on your own there.
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Or they simply spend less resources on older cards when it comes to drivers? Just like the 1080 ti doing terrible in rdr2. AMD is still trying to get navi drivers up to par, new navi fixes might be conflicting with old cards. AMDs drivers department is much smaller then Nvidias. Hopefully all the new sales will change that. I mean really they have some stuttering issues at 1080p on navi, do you really think they are going to waste time on an obscure issue like lc bios on a non lc card right now?
I would love to believe so. But I am now been burned by two flagships. And on the one I never got HBM overclocking back. And I fear it will go the way of Vega as well since we are now 10 months in with no fix. And the thing is when this broke for Vega owners we aren't talking a fundamentally different architecture when it broke when VII was launched. So why would it take 10 months to fix. Its just a 7nm Vega. And I am sure VII owners are also unimpressed by the overclocking situation there too. Buying top of the line hardware only to be sidelined later down the line isn't what you would expect for support. I really want to believe. But in the land where profit is king. I remain skeptical about a companies intentions. I don't think it is out of the relm of possibilities that Amd would push some "nerfing" updates to push people onto newer cards.

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Quote: Originally Posted by Falkentyne View Post
You'd have to search. I simply used it to change the GPU temperature limit and HBM limit (90C and 100C from 85C and 95C---no idea if that works even though MSI Afterburner shows the new temp limit) and the Power Limits (that does work) and TDC limit and the power limit slider range.

Buildzoid made a video on how to make your own powerplay reg table (to increase power and TDC limits) by editing a base vega64 table, but that was without using softpowerplaytable.

The hard part is getting a reg file.

I believe this is the 'stock' reg file for vega 64 aircooled (reference). I simply created it from someone else's post where they listed the reg entries (had to line up some \'s because they messed up so badly it didnt even work).

I don't have one for the LC bios.

This can be opened in vega64softpowerplaytable.

Remember you need that .NET MSI installer I linked the name of for this program to even open.
I can't attach " gtk-sharp-2.12.45.msi". You're on your own there.
I did try the power play tables registery mod for 150% power limit. It didn't help the extreme throttling caused by the new drivers.
I did not try upping the Temp limits as on a full cover block I had no reason to believe that would cause the issue.

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I did try the power play tables registery mod for 150% power limit. It didn't help the extreme throttling caused by the new drivers.
I did not try upping the Temp limits as on a full cover block I had no reason to believe that would cause the issue.
What about the 'sub values' (like those weird entries no one knows about?)
did you try comparing the air bios entries (the reg file I gave you) with the LC Bios entries and see which other ones were different?

Basically, what I want you to do is to take the air cooled Bios's reg entries shown in softpowerplayeditor and copy all of them into the LC Bios reg, and then import that (so that you basically turn your LC Bios into an LC Bios with air bios reg entries), restart the driver and see if your stuttering is fixed.

I hope you followed that.

Then IF the stuttering is fixed, then slowly start changing back 1 value at a time (even though its time consuming!), restarting the driver, until you find the stinker that triggers the thottling.

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I remain skeptical about a companies intentions. I don't think it is out of the relm of possibilities that Amd would push some "nerfing" updates to push people onto newer cards.
See, I'd believe that if AMD actually offered anything worthwhile to anyone on V56 or up. Who goes from Vega to mid range Navi at this point? The only option for me right now on V64 would be Nvidia. The big thing is HBM and until it's used across an entire product stack it's going to keep getting shafted as they don't want to devote the driver resources to it.

I must admit, I don't think I'll get anywhere near the life out of this V64 as I did my 290x due to this. That and the whole RDNA vs GCN thing of course. The whole fine wine thing doesn't work when you abandon your old arch.


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See, I'd believe that if AMD actually offered anything worthwhile to anyone on V56 or up. Who goes from Vega to mid range Navi at this point? The only option for me right now on V64 would be Nvidia. The big thing is HBM and until it's used across an entire product stack it's going to keep getting shafted as they don't want to devote the driver resources to it.

I must admit, I don't think I'll get anywhere near the life out of this V64 as I did my 290x due to this. That and the whole RDNA vs GCN thing of course. The whole fine wine thing doesn't work when you abandon your old arch.
Life cycle should last another 3years before AMD abandons it completely, But I dont see much of a difference between RDNA and GCN the games arent performing a lot better in some new titles as they should on navi, Maybe developers havent bothered to optimized for RDNA?
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FWIW, I just noticed that Wattman actually auto-loads my OC profile after a reboot now. On all previous driver versions, I would have to open up Wattman and manually select my saved profile after every reboot.
This has been happening for awhile now, has it not?
Wattman auto-loading a saved profile every time you reboot. But NOT adjusting the GPU voltage--at least this happened before. That was the cause of the old "290x black screen reboot death" when you set a memory clock that required a higher GPU voltage (!) to not black screen on you, then if you rebooted, it would re-load the clocks but not the voltage. Fun stuff.

That was when MSI Afterburner started deleting the Crimson/Wattman entries after closing the program, to prevent the CCC from reloading the clocks again.
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