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post #191 of 198 (permalink) Old 01-21-2020, 06:10 PM
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I appreciate the info. yeah, i was on the newest revision.


it reminds me of the pre-boot OS available in old P67 MSI boards.

pushing Solus now. Suppose i'll follow up in the right place if need be. toes wet, now time to jump in.

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been playing with ubuntu on 5th gen lenovo with 8gb... definitely basic user friendly, but i'm not impressed with how laggy it feels. I expected it to be quicker than win10.
Lubuntu is where I go to for an extremely basic, yet up to date and user friendly OS. An old 32bit Core Duo (not Core 2 Duo) laptop I have paired with an cheap SSD rivals modern (cheaper) SSD based W10 laptops in boot times and responsiveness while using a quarter of the resources. 2gb on Lubuntu feels like 8gb in comparison to Win10 and the cpu is able to stretch it's legs more for general tasks. I've got quite a few older machines that have been revived by it performance wise.

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I appreciate the info. yeah, i was on the newest revision.


it reminds me of the pre-boot OS available in old P67 MSI boards.

pushing Solus now. Suppose i'll follow up in the right place if need be. toes wet, now time to jump in.
I just got the latest Solus installed in a VM and the basic programs I use all the time working on it in about 30 minutes. eopkg seems friendly enough, but I got weird gcc errors until I installed the whole system.devel group (which isn't all that big...)

Budgie as a desktop I'm torn about. There's things I like, and things that drive me to distraction. If you like the default apps and themeing, it's nicely integrated though.


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I just got the latest Solus installed in a VM and the basic programs I use all the time working on it in about 30 minutes. eopkg seems friendly enough, but I got weird gcc errors until I installed the whole system.devel group (which isn't all that big...)

Budgie as a desktop I'm torn about. There's things I like, and things that drive me to distraction. If you like the default apps and themeing, it's nicely integrated though.
the only purpose for this laptop, outside of web, is sending working with my Shield in fastboot.

i'll most definitely branch out and explore once i've gotten my Fastboot issues resolved, and my shield running SNES titles.

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[the only purpose for this laptop, outside of web, is sending working with my Shield in fastboot.

i'll most definitely branch out and explore once i've gotten my Fastboot issues resolved, and my shield running SNES titles.
You could always just use a file explorer and sign into one of your cloud accounts to sideload the apk. That's what I do to install other apps on my shield.

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I'm not sure what easy tasks are over complicated for a typical user? I have elderly family members using Linux just fine.. you can spam next at the installer and boom you're on the desktop with a software center similar to what they've grown used to on their android phones and a browser that's no different than what you get with windows or mac... They don't even have to download and install a single device driver. .. accessing windows networks and sharing folders is pretty much out of the box.. Updates come with a graphical prompt.. What else does your average user need to do with the OS?

Naturally there are external devices with no linux drivers, lack of professional software, lack of game support, but that's not exactly the fault of Linux. To say linux is overly complicated is very odd to me though.

Perhaps these beliefs are rooted in the fact that we all have 25 years of daily experience with Windows and hours with Linux?
Your last line above pretty much hits the head on the head (or something like that; I'm not awake yet). One Youtuber, Joe Collins (who also has a good Linux forum), recently did a video about why it's so hard for what he calls Windows Power Users to switch over to Linux.
It boils down to the fact that Linux, even though some distros, such as Mint Cinnamon, may have a desktop that is similar to Win 7 (10, not so much), is completely different under the hood. Longtime Windows users with longtime experience under the hood of Windows have to unlearn what they learned about Windows and start pretty much at square one again when switching to Windows. You will not get comfortable with it overnight, although I've been using it only around a month and I'm comfortable enough with it now, the only only time I fire up my Windows machine is to grab some more data to move to the Linux machine (I still have a lot of data to wade through and sort).

One thing that made my transition much easier at the beginning was one of Joe's videos that gives simple, detailed, step by step instructions on how to install and setup Linux Mint for the first time.
I have numerous learning disabilities, chief of which is ADHD, so it was more difficult for me than it would be for most people to learn but my intense desire to not only leave Microsoft in my dust, but also give it the finger was enough motivation to get me through the transition. Btw, another good forum to get help with in Linux Mint is the Linux Mint Forums. Linux Mint Forums

Another set of problems that trip up Windows refugees is they have become too attached to certain programs. Sometimes, they have no choice because they are required to use specific programs for work. That's not the case for most people, though, especially home users, and those users will have to accept that their favorite Windows programs will not work in Linux. However, Linux has a plethora of good to excellent programs, most free, that will accomplish the same thing as most Windows programs. Often, you will have to adapt a completely different workflow to get the same results you got in Windows with it often being necessary to think outside the box (or even get a new box) to get there. As long as you approach any problems with an open mind and don't give up at the first snag (or few), saying Linux sucks, you will eventually get there.

So far, the only hardware I have not been able to get working reliably (or otherwise) in Linux is my Brother PT series Label Maker (I'm going to replace it with a better standalone label maker). My Samsung printer just worked right off the bat (Linux Mint 19.x came with the needed drivers already installed). Most older hardware will work just fine (my Linux Mint machine is on an older but unused Lenovo notebook). In fact, some older equipment may work better under Linux. Some may require after market drivers (I had to buy the Pro version of Vuescan for my flatbed and duplexing ADF scanners but it is a lifetime license that can be used on up to four computers at a time, each with an unlimited number of scanners, so it was a worthwhile investment). Keep in mind not all hardware that works with Windows will work with Mac, and vice versa, so why expect it not to be true with Linux? If buying a new computer, it is best to buy one that already has any distro of Linux on it to ensure compatibility. You can always switch distros after buying it (and you won't have wasted one red cent for the OS already on it). Collins recommends using an older computer when starting out with Linux instead of using your current daily driver (which is kindasorta what I did; it is an older Lenovo notebook I bought several years ago but never used); it will be far less frustrating that way.

All that said, Linux is not for everyone. However, as long as you keep in mind it took you years to get to where you are in Windows now and accept you will have to go through the same process with Linux (although it could take less time), then most people will find that Linux is an acceptable replacement for Windows.

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"getting caught up on the first snag"

we test drove a potential new hire last week. We put him on what we viewed as a rather simple task. We wanted him to go into the asset system, pull a report of all, and break it down by OS & hardware.

within 15 minutes he flat out said "i have little excel experience, and when I get stuck I get frustrated, and when i'm frustrated I get stuck, well right now I'm frustrated.. btw did I mention I have 900 hours in WarHammer?"

bro, thanks for being honest.

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All that said, Linux is not for everyone. However, as long as you keep in mind it took you years to get to where you are in Windows now and accept you will have to go through the same process with Linux (although it could take less time), then most people will find that Linux is an acceptable replacement for Windows.
Well said. Sadly a lot of developers won't port their software to Linux. Adobe won't port their software, neither will Magix. Fortunately DaVinci has been ported to Linux but Avid refuse to and only work on Windows.

I use Premier Pro because I'm not a professional, though I will try DaVinci instead as I want to use Linux as my main OS in the future.

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