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post #11 of 36 (permalink) Old 01-15-2020, 10:43 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted by rluker5 View Post
If my igpu is disabled in bios, it doesn't show up in the device manager, so I don't think windows can access it. If I enable it in bios, it shows up in device manager, but without the display hooked up to it the Intel graphics options aren't available. MSI AB sees it and can measure it's constant 0% use. Which makes sense since it doesn't make the signal for my dgpu. So you could use that to check.
Thanks for the tip. The BIOS on the board I have (not to mention the Intel+nVidia laptop I have) doesn't allow me to do much. Set the time, set a password, set the boot drive... that's about it. Oh yeah, the laptop allows me to set SecureBoot as well. Turning off the iGPU is simply not possible... if simply having it enabled and driver installed means a system is vulnerable... that's pretty nasty.

Anyway, I use the nVidia GPU in the laptop for just about everything since it was bought as a (semi-)portable workstation and rarely gets run off the battery.

Like the review said, the mitigations are far less painful for newer chips; it's the older systems that are hit the worst.

Hey, think this could be Intel trying to get people to spend money on an upgrade because of the kicking they've had from Ryzen?


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post #12 of 36 (permalink) Old 01-16-2020, 12:14 AM
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That's gonna leave a mark ...

I doubt people on those gen of iGPUs are about gaming performance though?






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Hi,
Who is using onboard graphic's now days ?
Besides maybe a cheap laptop.

Thinkpads


Laptops with dogpoop nvidia GPUs that are designed so poorly that all the displays are hardwired to iGPU and not the dGPU

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Pretty unfortunate for anyone impacted but Haswell.. 2013. If you are still using this cpu + iGPU its probably time for a upgrade

Even from a corporate standpoint, oldest laptops where I work have skylake chips (2015)

I remembered there was news about Intel still manufacturing Haswell CPUs, probably for things like office work PCs. I could find this article here:

https://techreport.com/news/3467271/...14nm-shortage/
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When I see where Ryzen is going, sometime I think, "has this day really come for Intel ?" and then there comes the mitigation updates too LOL.

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Every single Intel + Nvidia laptop. iGPU for everyday tasks and dGPU for demanding ones. Nvidia Optimus.
Now Nvidia should happily take some of that "everyday tasks" and call it Nvidia Optimus v2 LMAO.

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Hi,
Who is using onboard graphic's now days ?
Besides maybe a cheap laptop.
Most computers probably. Most PCs are not gaming PCs, and today's on-chip graphics are capable of almost any other non-gaming need short of intense video editing.

I miss $250 GPUs that could still play everything.
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Pretty unfortunate for anyone impacted but Haswell.. 2013. If you are still using this cpu + iGPU its probably time for a upgrade

Even from a corporate standpoint, oldest laptops where I work have skylake chips (2015)
I think there are still many small to medium businesses using older computers. They don't update the computers unless there is an need too(it broke) and you expand and need to hire more staff. Therefore, you need to buy new computers. Even my parent's office and my current place are still using 3rd and 4th Gen Intel based Dell PC's. In my parent's case, they aren't going to be updating anytime soon. They even refuse to take my parts when I upgrade myself.

Only recently has own work place starting upgrading over the last year but process is slow. The new pc's this year and going forward have been custom built ITX Ryzen 3600X PC's, we are paying higher costs than buying straight from dell though. Sadly most of the upgrades were to 8th Gen I5's though prior.

I think the impact for us will be mild considering our usage is non-graphic intensive applications. I am glad that we upgraded the server to an Ryzen 3700X based one with upgrades to SSD. That made an huge difference to our IBM Xeon 26xx (4core/4thread) Server with regular HDD. That and we finally implemented an smb enterprise grade router (fortinet).

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It doesn't bode well.

https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?pa...CVE-2019-14615

Red Hat recommends to disable the Intel iGPU driver.
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My aunt has an HP small form factor desktop with the Vega 11 and it's a potent little performer. I bet it'd handle most CS:GO player's needs just fine.

And it isn't getting neutered with every security update either. So that's a plus.

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